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Memorandum for the Record
Oct 7, 2011
Advanced Intelligence Agency
Subject: UFOs and DARPA-NASA 100 year Starship Mission


On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Ron Stahl wrote:

Jack, All,

I sincerely hope I didn't seem too critical.


Not at all. I agreed with three out of four. Note I fixed some of Brandenburg's hasty typos below - may not have caught all of them.

I'm very happy to have a glimpse of these exciting events I missed.  My point to Gary was and is, that I just can't tell how to take his insights.  Are they observations at all?  Most of the article seems to be him relating conversations about, other conversations about, a book he hasn't read.  The fact he's stating these conversations involve a stargate on the ranch is not a quibble, it's evidence of a story busy going wrong.

You now have not made a distinction that needs to be made.  Yes, the French woman's version of her meeting with Jacques Vallee was disinformation. Who that woman really is, is important in my opinion. No, that Eric Davis and others saw what appeared to be an alien creature coming out of a floating wormhole is true and is even in George Knapp's book.

It's a factual issue, Jack; that concerns the nature of evidence itself; whether there was ever reported a stargate on the ranch.

There was. Call it a wormhole if you like. Many written references including a report by Eric Davis.

Truth is, I cannot from my first read through Gary's story, tell if he was even at the conference.

He was not.

Much of the thing makes it seem he's not reporting on what you said to the board, Jack.  He seems to be telling us all, what you afterward said you had said to the board.

I gave a talk a few hours earlier that same day Sat Oct 1, 2011 before the Panel where I made the UFO remark. Doug Trumbull (Kubrick's special effects designer in 2001 movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Trumbull) backed me up that UFOs were a legitimate relevant issue for the DARPA-NASA Mission the next day Sunday Oct 2, 2011 and explicitly mentioned my name while doing it.

So which is it?

Makes a difference, IMHO.  There's far too much yellow journalism surrounding this important issue and the esteemed readership on this list deserves to know what they're reading.  Did Gary read the book and attend the conference or is this all hearsay?

best,

Ron


On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:55 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

On Oct 7, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Ron Stahl wrote:

Gary,

Since you're seeking feedback, I'd make just four points:

--There is no mention of a stargate left on the Skinwalker ranch in the book.  Seemed to me, the description is of a wormhole that had no mechanical device on the ranch itself.  Have you read the book you're reporting on?

Quibble, quibble. Star Gate = Wormhole functionally the same - you are making a distinction that makes no significant difference - whether nuts and bolts metal is or is not involved is secondary.


--IIRC, Kit was a senior officer at CIA, not merely an analyst; for ten years.


Good point


--IMHO, bringing up a rumor spawned by delusion merely so you can answer it is yellow journalism.  Much better to ignore the rumors and focus on the facts.  By mixing in the obviously wrong, you diminish the presentation of the factual issues.  Besides, Jack was not a NIDS member nor did he visit the ranch, so why would you treat his word as authoritative concerning the rumor?  Makes no sense and is certainly improper sourcing.


Wrong - because disinformation is an intelligence tool and it's important to know what was that strange French woman's motive? Was she part of some French-Swiss-Italian UFO Cult? This is a mystery. What was she doing at Simon Daniel's conference to begin with? - not only with her tough-looking bodyguard, but the equally strange bald French physicists who gave an odd talk on star gates. BTW that guy from the automotive place you got into a tiff with was at the DARPA meeting. I forget his name - the boyfriend of Laura Magdalene Eisenhower. Vallee told me at DARPA Orlando that he did meet her in Paris only because he was intrigued about the "group of 28" in France, Italy et-al - as I was. I have been asked by Renee Barnett of the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory TV show to appear on it. However, I think that would only make sense if they get Jacques Vallee, Kit Green, Eric Davis, George Knapp and Nick Cook to also appear on it since they all have key pieces of information that I do not have.


--You never said what it was Jack was presenting on.  Seems an odd thing to neglect.


Excellent point!


Just one person's opinion.  :-)  Otherwise, a fascinating look at what must have been a swell time had by all.

best,

Ron


On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:23 PM, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. wrote:
Jack's UFO rant is the front page story at STARpod.org

Comments are encouraged.

Thank you


Gary S. Bekkum
STARpod.org
STARstream Research
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-----Original message-----
From: John Brandenburg To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Sent: Fri, Oct 7, 2011 14:53:30 GMT+00:00
Subject: Three Cheers for Jack- for mentioning the "UFO elephant in the room " plus the Sarfatti Conjecture Starship drive

typo corrected by Jack Sarfatti

Dear Friends,
I say three cheers for Jack! He deserves great credit for calling attention to the “elephant in the room” at the DARPA starship conference: the UFO problem. Or, as the heroine Cassandra Chen, in my UFO novel- Morningstar Pass, says:
“not only are we not alone in the universe, we are not even lonely”
This UFO phenomenon, by itself ( which I am convinced is basically extraterrestrial) says that there is some way to easily travel light years between the stars.
It is similar to deducing the fact that heavier than air flight is possible, by observing the flight of birds.
( Simon Newcomb!- open your eyes!)
Now to technologies: The Sarfatti Conjecture

Several Years Ago Jack Sarfatti made an ingenious conjecture in an email exchange : Jack proposed that the dark energy term , the cosmological constant term might not always be constant, but could have a 4-divergence. This means that the dark energy is only a constant to first order, like the pressure in the rooms we all sit in, and like this pressure, it represents a substance that can receive and give up momentum-energy and thus be used for propulsion. If the cosmo-term can have divergence- as Jack proposed- than the divergence of the conventional stress energy tensor, that serves as the main source term for the Einstein Tensor- then since the Einstain tenors divergence vanishes automatically the ordinary Stress energy tensor: EM fields and normal matter, must be able to make up the difference- in other words the conventional stress energy tensor divergenece must balance the new, non-vanishing ‘dark energy’ divergence. Therefore, as Jack suggested- you can propel a starship by transferring momentum and energy to the dark energy much like a submarine transfers momentum to the sea water around it by a propeller, or a propeller driven airplane flies. Jack called the is general idea the “vacuum propeller” concept. Mathematically, with the dark energy term represented as the tensor Duv, this is formulated thusly:

Guv = 8piG Tuv + guv Lambda = 8piG Tuv + Duv
Div-4 (Guv) =0 , Div-4 (8piG Tuv + Duv) =0 ergo ? Div-4 (Tuv) = Div-4(Duv)
I say it should be recognized as the Sarfatti Conjecture- the idea that the dark energy reperesents a substance in the vaccum that can receive and give up momentum- thus leading to starship propulsion.
It is my own hypothesis that the Duv tenor is due to a low energy tachyonic fluid with nearly vanishing pressure.
So the starship of future will use ‘Sarfatti Conjecture Drive’- that is propelling itself using the “dark side energy” term The vacuum, is thus not really a vacuum, and that means we can push against it!

More soon!


From: Paul Murad [mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 4:07 PM

Subject: Fw: DARPA’s 100-year starship symposium: alien religion, solar propulsion, and - Slate Magazine

All:

Catch the SLATE site about the DARPA meeting....

They also include some mention of aneutronic fusion...
Paul...


----- Forwarded Message -----
From: JACK SARFATTI To: JACK SARFATTI Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: DARPA’s 100-year starship symposium: alien religion, solar propulsion, and - Slate Magazine
re: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/future_tense/2011/10/darpa_s_100_year_starship_symposium_alien_religion_solar_propuls.single.html

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On Oct 5, 2011, at 2:45 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

On Sunday morning, the guys from Sol Seed (“Bringing Life Even Unto the Galaxy”) passed out fliers stating four rather ambitious, and divergent, goals. The first is to build an “eco-village community in Portland,” while the fourth is “contributing to the destiny of life: spreading beyond Earth to take root amongst the stars!” Surprisingly, though, only one guy ranted about UFOs. (“I’m not talking about the crazy people. I’m talking about solid military evidence, CIA, DIA.”) He left the room quietly when the panelists refused to engage him. Of course Doug Trumbull brought up the UFO issue again on Sunday. The Slate reporter has a bad memory. The incident with me and Eric Davis was on Saturday.
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"On Sunday morning, the guys from Sol Seed (“Bringing Life Even Unto the Galaxy”) passed out fliers stating four rather ambitious, and divergent, goals. The first is to build an “eco-village community in Portland,” while the fourth is “contributing to the destiny of life: spreading beyond Earth to take root amongst the stars!” Surprisingly, though, only one guy ranted about UFOs. (“I’m not talking about the crazy people. I’m talking about solid military evidence, CIA, DIA.”) He left the room quietly when the panelists refused to engage him."

Of course Doug Trumbull brought up the UFO issue again on Sunday. The Slate reporter has a bad memory. The incident with me and Eric Davis was on Saturday.

My comment at SLATE on this:


Jack Sarfatti
I was an invited speaker in the exotic physics. My talk was on low power warp drive with metamaterials and the use of coherent states for faster-than--light and back-from-the-future interstellar communications. I have a Ph.D. in physics from the University of California. I am featured in MIT physics professor's new book "How the Hippies Saved Physics" and in Wikipedia. I was the UFO ranter and it happened on Saturday not on Sunday as Mr. Kakaes inaccurately insinuates. Mr. Kakaes fails to mention that on Sunday 2001 special effects designer Douglas Trumbull backed me up on the UFO issue and even mentioned my name while doing it in front of most of the attendees in the main ballroom at the closing sessions. The Romanian chap Mr. Kakaes refers to was not a physicist and yes did not have any answers, but posed the right questions for which I do have the answers. Contrary to Mr. Kakaes's understanding, the technology is not non-existent. Background for this is in David Kaiser's excellent historical book mentioned above. Also Mr. Kakaes spelled John Cramer's name wrong with a K instead of a C - an indication of lack of due diligence for SLATE.



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