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On Jan 5, 2012, at 10:21 PM, R005T3R wrote:

Ontologically speaking, the Nanomorphic SimUjahedin
RetroFlux Field (NSURFF) approach to funky spatial
"para-intrapolative" optic recourses to conceptualize
the many-sheeted, tightly stretched latex simulacrum,
vis a vis, sentient self-modeling, is a lot like
multi-helical spaghetti noodles in virtual nonlocal
scalar-like, antivectored, totally outre' wyrd (sic)
space... don't you think?

Yes. By Jove, I think you've got it.

Has this already been patented by the Germans?
My money's (metaphorically speaking) on the tripartite
merger of the "global, military/industrial complex", the
"entertainment industry", and the cybernetics of the
iconolastic, ontologically minded, physicist-laborers
who are plucking "superluminal volocities attained by
practical propellantless propulsion systems" out of their
(or somebody's) heads!

Indeed, it's



Or has that particular three-way merger already occurred?
I suspect it will be recognizable by a general increase
in __________...?

Obsessive Compulsive?
I was Obsessive Compulsive, once.
They locked me in a rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
I died in that rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
They buried me in the cold, cold ground.
There were Multidimensional Wormholes
in that cold, cold ground.
Multidimensional Wormholes make me
Obsessive Compulsive.
Obsessive Compulsive?
I was Obsessive Compulsive, once.
They locked me in a rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
I died in that rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
They buried me in the cold, cold ground.
There were Multidimensional Wormholes
in that cold, cold ground.
Multidimensional Wormholes make me
Obsessive Compulsive.
Obsessive Compulsive?
I was Obsessive Compulsive, once.
They locked me in a rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
I died in that rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
They buried me in the cold, cold ground.
There were Multidimensional Wormholes
in that cold, cold ground.
Multidimensional Wormholes make me
Obsessive Compulsive... etc., etc. etc...

Book Review -
How the Hippies Saved Physics -
By David Kaiser - NYTimes.com
http://tinyurl.com/HTHSP-BY-DK

 What Physics Owes the Counterculture
 By GEORGE JOHNSON
 Published: June 17, 2011
  http://tinyurl.com/HTHSP-BY-DK

Excerpt:

[...]     In "How the Hippies Saved Physics:
Science, Counterculture, and the Quantum Revival,"
David Kaiser, an associate professor at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, turns to
those wild days in the waning years of the
Vietnam War when anything seemed possible:
communal marriage, living off the land, bringing
down the military with flower power. Why not
faster-than-light communication, in which a
message arrives before it is sent, overthrowing
the tyranny of that pig, Father Time?




That was the obsession of Jack Sarfatti, another
member of the group. Sarfatti was Wolf's colleague
and roommate in San Diego, and in a pivotal moment
in Kaiser's tale they find themselves in the lobby
of the Ritz Hotel in Paris talking to Werner Erhard,
the creepy human potential movement guru, who
decided to invest in their quantum ventures.
Sarfatti was at least as good a salesman as he
was a physicist, wooing wealthy eccentrics from
his den at Caffe Trieste in the North Beach section
of San Francisco.

Other, overlapping efforts like the Consciousness
Theory Group and the Physics/Consciousness Research
Group were part of the scene, and before long
Sarfatti, Wolf and their cohort were conducting
annual physics and consciousness workshops at the
Esalen Institute in Big Sur.

Fritjof Capra, who made his fortune with the
countercultural classic "The Tao of Physics" (1975)
was part of the Fundamental Fysiks Group, as was
Nick Herbert, another dropout from the establishment
who dabbled in superluminal communication and wrote
his own popular book, "Quantum Reality: Beyond the
New Physics" (1985). Gary Zukav, a roommate of
Sarfatti's, cashed in with "The Dancing Wu Li
Masters" (1979). I'd known about the quantum
zeitgeist and read some of the books, but I was
surprised to learn from Kaiser how closely all
these people were entangled in the same web.

Kaiser says his title was inspired by
Thomas Cahill's "How the Irish Saved Civilization,"
and he has a similar aim: to show, with a healthy
dose of irony, how another "unlikely group of
underdogs and castaways kept the torch of
learning aflame." He reminds us that the
pioneers of quantum mechanics -- Werner Heisenberg,
Albert Einstein, Wolfgang Pauli, Niels Bohr,
Erwin Schrodinger -- argued endlessly about the
implications of their equations: particles that
were somehow waves of probability, that hovered
in superposition between two states, that made
quantum jumps without traversing the space in
between. These thinkers were often as engaged
with the philosophy as they were with
the mathematics.

Ultimately the interpretations were only words:
futile attempts to grasp something beyond language
and maybe beyond mind. By the time the hippies were
in school, physics textbooks had all but abandoned
the messiness of meaning. Quantum physics worked.
The message was "Shut up and calculate." I remember
the letdown. I thought for a while that I wanted
to be a physicist. I was glad to read here that
philosophizing about physics has made a comeback
in university classrooms. Without the enthusiasms
of the Fundamental Fysiks Group, Kaiser speculates,
the inquisitive spirit might never have been revived.

More specifically, Kaiser argues that the hippies,
with their noble failures, contributed to a
cutting-edge technology called quantum cryptography.
A member of the collective, John Clauser, conducted
the first experiment that confirmed Bell's theorem,
suggesting that two subatomic particles, once they
have been in contact, will remain subtly entangled
no matter how far they are separated in space.
This "nonlocality," the fysicists felt in their
bones, would allow for instantaneous signaling.
Herbert was devising what appeared to be a
particularly ingenious scheme, and in the course
of debunking it, Kaiser ventures, mainstream
physicists came to appreciate that entanglement
does allow for something else: encrypting messages
so that they are impossible, in theory, to
surreptitiously intercept.
http://tinyurl.com/HTHSP-BY-DK

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SarfattiScienceSeminars/messages

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} Subject: Re: DR QUANTUM (Re: Retro Temporal Paradox
}          Avoidance Bifurcation Syndrome
}          & Deser's model, Kip Thorne)

Demo, You are a fascinating collector and promulgator of
ideas!  As to inconstancy of "universal constants": the very
idea that these SHOULD BE UNIVERSALLY CONSTANT in
both Space and Time may demonstrate really that
"edgy" theoretical physicists may be driven
by the very same lone-lived demons
which once inhabited theologians
and medieval philosophers,
driving them towards
earlier quixotic
quests of the
Immutably
Divine!

)))***(((

Certainly, the quote about "Vampyrism" applies to the
emotional and psychic variety of mentallic energy and
creative novelty harvesting, idea thirsty, feeding kind?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As I view the current corner of my piece-wise,
barely connected existences, I find a smile
provocating urge to laugh, to revel,
to enjoy the wishful farce which
presents itself all around me,
as naked apes, especially
the jewish variety,
seek for distant
Stars, and Far
BEYOND!

Like garden slugs in deep lush valleys of
lower Nepal, they seek to rise beyond the
living bridges of strangler figs coaxed to use
by ingenuousities above, then fling themselves
upon the apparently impossible, that one day
they might cruise and glide upon the crests,
so climb upon the tops of Mountainous
Ridges and Peaks, Remote and Lofty,
Cold beyond their experiential
Imagining, that on Ridges
of Impossibility, they
May prove Worthy
To Travel FAR
BEYOND,
then
die!  

But FOR THAT, I am afraid,
FIRST the Earth must Warm
Much, with Immense Moisture
Raised on High, and Heat, then
Transferred to the edge of the Sky!

FOR THAT, were you thus BORN, Demo Hassan?
Is SUCH your Plan? ... How many incarnations
have you now had since your distant original
slugdom?   And how many more will come?!

That Slugs May Triumphantly Climb Up,
Both Everest and K2, Slide Down,
And Rude Primitive Fictions
Of the OT Biblical Myths
become Re-MADE too -
    by Time-backwards
   Traveling JEWS ? -
to COME TRUE?!

And THERE THEY COME! ... Contented SLUGS
raining down with water of a highest  fall,
falling in completed fulfilling Joy
from so dreamingly far high,
upholding their Quest,
as their multiple
generational
Goals ARE
attained
for us all
TO SEE ...
raining,
yes, crashing ...
down, willingly so,
to their fulfilled deaths,
that their purpose has been
made, by their Iron Will,
to COME TRUE! -
and That THEY,
Who TRIED,
May ALSO
REACH
The
Limits
of THEIR OWN
Most Sublime SKY!

What a Beautiful SCENE this shall become,
Ending the Universal Movie, with all seeing,
Eyes weeping, yet mouths so eager to talk,
faces paralyzed for the moment, frozen
on smiles forced by up-welling Joy,
Of their Goals COMING TRUE!

AMEN

Gary, COSMOS CHILD, For THE SWIMP!

http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/divinepr.htm

On 21/12/2011 11:56 PM, Demo Hassan wrote:

 Non Sequitur?

 -=[[NOTE: Quote: [...] "Vampyrism is
  a unique Black Magical condition that
   in and of its very nature requires a
    Posture, which enables a natural and
     effortless exchange of Power from the
      lesser to the Greater. In normal
       communication, this power is evidenced
        by the psychological control exerted
         over others. Through our Black Magic,
          this Power is evidenced by accessing
           what is known as lucid dreaming and
            increasingly gaining mastery over
             that state of Becoming which is
              desirable in its own right." [...]
               'Order Of The Vampyre' - T'.'S'.'
                http://www.xeper.org/ovampyre/
 And/or:
 http://www.google.com/search?q=contemporary+vampirism ]]=-
  http://tinyurl.com/oltissis

       "Unfortunately the ability to change the
  course of events is rarely accompanied by the
  knowledge to do so wisely."
       "Decisions on a galactic scale cannot be
  granted the luxury of opinionated debate.
  They must be made instantaneously on the basis
  of a completely dispassionate analysis of all
  relevant data, and solutions must be implemented
  with equal promptness. Either a delay or an
  error in the process can cause markedly
  disproportionate damage as the effects multiply
  logarithmically at successively lower echelons of
  the administrative network."   [...]
       "[T]he only solution is to place Imperial
  sovereignty for purely deductive considerations
  under the control of an extended time-span
  forcasting computer."
     -- Darth Vader - The Secret of Sith,
     1. Mission to the Senate - Page 75
     The Dark Side by Michael A. Aquino (c)1977,1988,
      http://www.xeper.org/maquino/        1999,2002...

                         [][][][][]    

 "Project Star Gate": $20 Million Up in Smoke (and Mirrors)
       by Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D.
       Lt. Colonel, Military Intelligence, USAR-Ret.
       The Intelligencer: Journal of U.S. Intelligence Studies
       Volume 11, Number 2 - Winter 2000
       Association of Former Intelligence Officers

    Excerpt:

    "... Psychological Operations specialists know that
    it is the conscious mind which must be reached for
    opinion or behavior modification, and that it is
    reached reliably and predictably through the normal
    communicative senses. Similarly the mind expresses
    itself through these same senses, and through media
    technology we have developed a multitude of ways to
    amplify and transmit such expressions. Communication
    between minds is no longer the problem; it is the
    content of that communication and the ethics
    underlying it which challenge us, particularly as
    old nation-state, ethnic, cultural, and social
    standards continue to mutate in this final decade
    of the 20th century."
    [] From: "Project Star Gate" by Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D.
        [See: "StarGate.pdf  06-Feb-2009  06:37 22k" -
          At URL: < http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/ >]

                         [][][][][]    

   "Alone of the Valar do I exist apart from him,
         hence can do so. And so I tell you this: 
 He is not cruel, any more than he is benevolent.
 He is a force of indifference and hazard in this
 universe, and what appears here upon Arda is the
    result of that and no more. That is the truth
   and the curse of this world: that it is bereft
  of purpose. It is merely here, and it continues
  as its patterns, and accident, and the force of
       contesting wills press it. Finally, as all
  energy upon it is drawn inexorably out into the
     cosmos from whence it was fashioned, it will
        grow cold, and go out." --Melkor [Pg 25],
          The Second Scroll - Sauron to Pallando.
      Morlindale: The Song of Illuminate Darkness
                   by Michael A. Aquino ((c)2003)
                     http://www.xeper.org/maquino

                         [][][][][]    
 See also:
  ARE YOU A FIELD? by M.A.A. [ July 31, 2004 ]
   http://pweb.netcom.com/~mthorn/0ncetime.htm

                         [][][][][]    

  UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies and Realities
  by John B. Alexander, Ph.D.
  New York: Thomas Dunne Books, 2011
    - reviewed by Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D.
    U.S. Army Space Intelligence Officer 35B3Y (Ret.)
  INTELLIGENCER: Journal of U.S. Intelligence Studies
  http://www.afio.com/22_intelligencer.htm
  http://www.afio.com/publications/INTL_TableOfContents.pdf
  http://www.afio.com/index.html

                       ~o0-O-o0~

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 | From: JACK SARFATTI <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
 | To: Adam <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
 | Cc: MT <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>,
 |     Thorn Alley <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
 | Subject: Re: Retro Temporal Paradox Avoidance
 |          Bifurcation Syndrome
 |          & Deser's model, Kip Thorne
 | Date: Dec 21, 2011 1:15 PM

   On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Adam wrote:

  Stephen Baxter has Polchinski's Pool-Table
  make an appearance in the authorised sequel
  to H.G.Wells's "The Time Machine", Baxter's
  "The Time Ships". He uses it to explain how
  consistency can be set up with a higher-level
  definition of causality.

   On Dec 21, 2011 1:15 PM, J. Sarfatti wrote:

  I need a precise URL reference.

 -=[[ NOTE: "In Stephen Baxter's The Time Ships,
      a sequel to H. G. Wells's The Time Machine,
      the Time Traveler explains that his
      researches into time travel began when a
      mysterious yet vaguely familiar stranger
      passed him a mineral, the Plattnerite,
      which he used to construct the machine.
      Over the course of his subsequent travels
      which involve the alteration of history,
      he discovers that the stranger was in fact
      his future self. Eventually, with the help
      of humanity's descendants, he restores the
      timeline and travels into the past to pass
      the Plattnerite to his younger self."
      An Imprecise URL of closed timelike curves:
      http://tinyurl.com/SB-TIME-SHIP ]]=-

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 --- El Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM, "David Mathes" escribio:

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 | From: David Mathes <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
 | To: MT <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>,
 |     JACK SARFATTI <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
 | Cc: Thorn Alley <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
 | Subject: Re: Retro Temporal Paradox Avoidance
 |          Bifurcation Syndrome
 |          & Deser's model, Kip Thorne
 | Date: Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM

 MT

 The short answer is that Hawking might reassess
 assumptions in his equations like only positive
 energy and positive mass. Perhaps the approach
 of Dirac would be helpful with negative energy.
 Hawking could expand his horizons with the ADM
 model circa 1960.

 In general, time travel is fraught with problems.
 Navigation would be a real pain. There is no GPS
 across time (or at least it would be limited).

 First, one has to establish a reference frame.
 Local, distant, layers?  One could claim a spot
 but the details are an exercise in navigation
 that probably are best done stepwise instead
 of great leaps.

 -=[[ NOTE: Quote: ("not a problem - use CMB
                    temperature and isotropy
                    relative to Hubble flow.
                    See Tamara Davis's PhD
                    on line." -- J. Sarfatti)
 http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/download/tamarad/papers/
 http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/download/tamarad/astro/index.html ]]=-

 If there is an absolute frame with respect to
 at least the sun, then there is the minor issue
 maintaining the same spot on earth which is
 rotating beneath one's location at 1,000 mph
 and traveling some 67,000 mph orbiting the sun.
 That is an undergraduate problem at Cal Tech
 and other fine institutions.

 Add corrections for the slight changes in
 gravitational pull for earth, moon and sun,
 and perhaps the rest of the solar system as
 well, and we have nice warmup for the grad
 student working on a frame dragging navigation
 system. Perhaps a set of distance reference
 stars might help.

 Furthermore, one might want to have a navigation
 system that has cGh sensors. Even the practioners
 may have difficulty if any of the usual "universal"
 constants vary.

 When should time travel be attempted? Perhaps
 when all the CPT anomalies to the Standard Model
 are resolved - b-meson decay would be a good start.
 Quantum gravity may be a requirement depending on
 how fast (local time) an individual wanted to
 travel thru time.

 In an expansionist universe, time travel may
 require swimming upriver against the river of time.

 There is the issue of traveling using some sort
 of tunneling technique. Modified benign wormholes
 (Thorne et al) is one possibility. A more exotic
 solution might be Meholic's Tri-space theory.
 In general, a time traveler might find it easier
 to step out of this universe to an adjacent one
 and pop back in close to where they want to be.

 In the 22nd or 23rd century NASA could undertake
 time travel. A few essential steps are required:
 establish a signal path to the destination,
 establish a small transit path for non-human
 logistics supply, protect that path, and finally
 allow human transit whether alone or with a vehicle. 

 Small trail blazing units based on nanotechnology
 would establish a navigation signal network.
 Then a MEMs droid or communicative robot would
 follow the signal and prepare for human transit.
 The human vehicle (whether a spacesuit or shuttle)
 would then follow the path to the droid they are
 looking for...

 One has to be careful in time travel. The whole
 universe has to change but the assumption is
 that locally, time moves forward. The barrier
 between forward time in the time bubble and
 retro time may need to be a layered nest to
 reduce the stress tensor possibilities.

 Best

 David

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 eMpTy:

  Prof. Hawking most recently said that
 Time Travel was only possible to the
 future, because Time Travel to
 the past is fraught with paradox.
 He used the example of a man who
 builds a time machine that takes him
 back in time 2 minutes before he
 'steps into the time machine.' If he
 subsequently 'prevents' the man that
 is his 'past self' from stepping into
 the time machine, then the man who does
 the time traveling cannot possibly
 exist to perform this action. Paradox.

 JS:
  ___________________________________________

  This is a Red Herring as shown by
  Kip Thorne, Igor Novikov et-al.
  ___________________________________________

 eMpTy:

   I don't know, (how could I?); and yet,
 the below text reads like tortured
 wishful thinking in an attempt to
 evade the simultaneously unsatisfying
 and wildly intriguing notion of
 paradox-avoiding-bifurcating-timelines,
 and replacing it with an equally
 troubling contortionist's appeal to
 'closed timelike curves' as long as
 they meet highly specific non-disruptive
 parameters that curve in on themselves.
 Sort of like P.D. Ouspensky's old theory
 of 'Eternal Recurrence' whose ancestor
 was Metempsychosis - kind of like
 Reincarnation, only closed in an eternal
 loop - which ties in a bit with your other
 discussion regarding free will, and/or
 its complete impossibility in its
 current evolutionary, illusory form...
 Anyway, 'closed timelike curves' sounds
 a bit like 'bifurcated timelines' to me.
     Happy Solstice!
  -- eMpTy 2:O3AM 2I|D3C|2OII
     http://tinyurl.com/eyedead

 Novikov self-consistency principle
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle

 The Novikov self-consistency principle,
 also known as the Novikov self-consistency
 conjecture, is a principle developed by
 Russian physicist Igor Dmitriyevich Novikov
 in the mid-1980s to solve the problem of
 paradoxes in time travel, which is
 theoretically permitted in certain solutions
 of general relativity (solutions containing
 what are known as closed timelike curves).
 Stated simply, the Novikov consistency
 principle asserts that if an event exists
 that would give rise to a paradox, or to
 any "change" to the past whatsoever, then
 the probability of that event is zero.
 In short, it says that it's impossible
 to create time paradoxes.

 History of the principle
 Physicists have long been aware that there
 are solutions to the theory of general
 relativity which contain closed timelike
 curves, or CTCs--see for example the
 Godel metric. Novikov discussed the
 possibility of CTCs in books written in
 1975 and 1983, offering the opinion that
 only self-consistent trips back in time
 would be permitted. In a 1990 paper by
 Novikov and several others, Cauchy problem
 in spacetimes with closed timelike curves,
 the authors state:

   The only type of causality violation that
   the authors would find unacceptable is
   that embodied in the science-fiction
   concept of going backward in time and
   killing one's younger self ("changing the
   past"). Some years ago one of us
   (Novikov10) briefly considered the
   possibility that CTCs might exist and
   argued that they cannot entail this type
   of causality violation: Events on a CTC
   are already guaranteed to be self-consistent,
   Novikov argued; they influence each other
   around a closed curve in a self-adjusted,
   cyclical, self-consistent way. The other
   authors recently have arrived at the
   same viewpoint.

   We shall embody this viewpoint in a principle
   of self-consistency, which states that the only
   solutions to the laws of physics that can occur
   locally in the real Universe are those which
   are globally self-consistent. This principle
   allows one to build a local solution to the
   equations of physics only if that local solution
   can be extended to a part of a (not necessarily
   unique) global solution, which is well defined
   throughout the nonsingular regions of
   the spacetime.

 Among the coauthors of this 1990 paper were Kip Thorne,
 Mike Morris, and Ulvi Yurtsever, who in 1988 had
 stirred up renewed interest in the subject of time
 travel in general relativity with their paper Wormholes,
 Time Machines, and the Weak Energy Condition, which
 showed that a new general relativity solution known
 as a traversable wormhole could lead to closed timelike
 curves, and unlike previous CTC-containing solutions
 it did not require unrealistic conditions for the
 universe as a whole. After discussions with another
 coauthor of the 1990 paper, John Friedman, they
 convinced themselves that time travel need not lead
 to unresolvable paradoxes, regardless of what type
 of object was sent through the wormhole.

 In response, another physicist named Joseph Polchinski
 sent them a letter in which he argued that one could
 avoid questions of free will by considering a
 potentially paradoxical situation involving a billiard
 ball sent through a wormhole which sends it back in
 time. In this scenario, the ball is fired into a
 wormhole at an angle such that, if it continues along
 that path, it will exit the wormhole in the past at
 just the right angle to collide with its earlier self,
 thereby knocking it off course and preventing it from
 entering the wormhole in the first place.
 Thorne deemed this problem "Polchinski's paradox".

 After considering the problem, two students at
 Caltech (where Thorne taught), Fernando Echeverria
 and Gunnar Klinkhammer, were able to find a solution
 beginning with the original billiard ball trajectory
 proposed by Polchinski which managed to avoid any
 inconsistencies. In this situation, the billiard ball
 emerges from the future at a different angle than
 the one used to generate the paradox, and delivers
 its younger self a glancing blow instead of knocking
 it completely away from the wormhole, a blow which
 changes its trajectory in just the right way so that
 it will travel back in time with the angle required
 to deliver its younger self this glancing blow.
 Echeverria and Klinkhammer actually found that
 there was more than one self-consistent solution,
 with slightly different angles for the glancing
 blow in each case. Later analysis by Thorne and
 Robert Forward showed that for certain initial
 trajectories of the billiard ball, there could
 actually be an infinite number of self-consistent
 solutions.

 Echeverria, Klinkhammer and Thorne published a
 paper discussing these results in 1991; in
 addition, they reported that they had tried to
 see if they could find any initial conditions
 for the billiard ball for which there were no
 self-consistent extensions, but were unable to
 do so. Thus it is plausible that there exist
 self-consistent extensions for every possible
 initial trajectory, although this has not been
 proven. This only applies to initial conditions
 which are outside of the chronology-violating
 region of spacetime, which is bounded by a
 Cauchy horizon. This could mean that the Novikov
 self-consistency principle does not actually
 place any constraints on systems outside of the
 region of spacetime where time travel is
 possible, only inside it. [...] CONT...
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle

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 | From: JACK SARFATTI <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
 | To: MT <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
 | Subject: Re: Retro Temporal Paradox Avoidance
 |          Bifurcation Syndrome & Deser's model, Kip Thorne
 | Date: Dec 20, 2011 12:04 PM

 On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:58 AM, MT wrote:

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 Star Gate
 Making Star Trek Real
 Jack Sarfatti

 [...]

 Hawking's Objection

 Stephen Hawking has conjectured that time
 travel to the past is not possible because
 quantum gravity effects will destroy the
 wormhole star gate time machine. His friend
 Kip Thorne is not so sure that is the case.
 It's my opinion that the good flying saucer
 evidence shows that Hawking is wrong.
 Indeed, the extraterrestrials may well be
 our future descendants coming back in time
 to make sure they exist. Igor Novikov calls
 this a consistent loop in time.  [...]

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 Dr. Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D.
 http://www.stardrive.org
 Dr. James F. Woodward, Ph.D.
 http://physics.fullerton.edu/~jimw/general/
 http://physics.fullerton.edu/component/zoo/item/dr-james-f-woodward
 Dr. Stanley Deser, Ph.D.
 http://www.brandeis.edu/departments/physics/people/faculty/deser.html

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 The News Forum of the Tau Zero Foundation
 http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=18076
 Progress Toward the Dream of Space Drives and Stargates
 by Paul Gilster on May 23, 2011

 by James F. Woodward

      I first wrote about James Woodward's work
 in my 2004 book Centauri Dreams: Imagining and
 Planning Interstellar Exploration, and have
 often been asked since to comment further on
 his research. But it's best to leave that to
 the man himself, and I'm pleased to turn today's
 post over to him. [...]
 [...] Guided by Mach's principle and Luchak's
 Newtonian approximation for gravity -- and a
 simple calculation done by Dennis Sciama in his
 doctoral work for Paul Dirac in the early
 1950s -- it is possible to show that when
 extended massive objects are accelerated, if
 their "internal" energies change during the
 accelerations, fluctuations in their masses
 should occur. That's the purchase on gravity
 and inertia you need. (Ironically, though these
 effects are not obviously present in the field
 equations of GRT or electrodynamics, they do not
 depend on any novel coupling of those fields.

 JS:
  ___________________________________________

  The above is hard to reconcile with qft's
  point particle model. The only extended
  structure is the dressing cloud of virtual
  particle plasma. I have shown that the
  induced gravity from the virtual particles
  is strong enough to stabilize an extended
  thin shell of (electro-weak-strong) charges
  independent of the qed Casimir force.
  ___________________________________________

 So, no "new physics" is required.) But that
 alone is not enough. You need two more things.
 First, you need experimental results that show
 that this theorizing actually corresponds to
 reality. And second, you need to show how
 "Mach effects" can be used to make the Jupiter
 masses of exotic matter needed for stargates
 and warp drives. This can only be done with a
 theory of matter that includes gravity.
 The Standard Model of serious physics, alas,
 does not include gravity. A model for matter
 that includes gravity was constructed in 1960
 by three physicists of impeccable credentials.
 They are Richard Arnowitt (Texas A and M),
 Stanley Deser (Brandeis), and Charles Misner
 (U. of Maryland). Their "ADM" model can be
 adapted to answer the question: Does some
 hideously large amount of exotic matter lie
 shrouded in the normal matter we deal with
 every day? Were the answer to this question
 "no", you probably wouldn't be reading this.
 Happily, the argument about the nature of
 matter and the ADM model that bears on the
 wormhole problem can be followed with little
 more than high school algebra. And it may be
 that shrouded in everyday stuff all around us,
 including us, is the Jupiter mass of exotic
 matter we want. Should it be possible to expose
 the exotic bare masses of the elementary
 particles that make up normal matter, then
 stargates may lie in our future -- and if in
 our future, perhaps our present and past
 as well. [...]
  http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=18076

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 See also: Recent Publications by
           Dr. Stanley Deser, Ph.D.

  "Arbitrary Spin Representations in
  deSitter from dS/CFT with Applications
  to dS Supergravity" (with A. Waldron),
  hep-th/0301068, submitted to Nucl. Phys. B.
  http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th?0301068

  "Gravitational Energy in Quadratic-Curvature
  Gravities" (with B. Tekin) hep-th/0205318,
  Phys. Rev. Lett. 89, 101101 (2002).
  http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th?hep-th%2F0205318

  "Large Gauge Transformations and Non-Abelian
  Finite Temperature Effective Actions"
  (with L. Griguolo and D. Seminara) hep-th/0212140,
  Phys. Rev. D (in press).
  http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th?hep-th%2F0212140

  "Some Remarks on Dirac's Contributions
  to General Relativity," gr-qc/0301097,
  to appear in the Proceedings,
  Dirac Centennial, Florida State University, 2002.
  http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0301097

  http://www.brandeis.edu/departments/physics/people/faculty/deser.html

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 FIRST ADDENDUM

 (( MEANWHILE... [Circa: June 2010]... eMpTy ))

  Prof. Hawking most recently said that
 Time Travel was only possible to the
 future, because Time Travel to
 the past is fraught with paradox.
 He used the example of a man who
 builds a time machine that takes him
 back in time 2 minutes before he
 'steps into the time machine.' If he
 subsequently 'prevents' the man that
 is his 'past self' from stepping into
 the time machine, then the man who does
 the time traveling cannot possibly
 exist to perform this action. Paradox.

 JS:
  ___________________________________________

  This is a Red Herring as shown by
  Kip Thorne, Igor Novikov et-al.
  ___________________________________________

 Therefore, Hawking admits that although
 time travel to the past is impossible,
 time travel to the future is easily done.
 Simply approach the speed of light, and
 as your clocks slow down, relative to the
 outside, the reality outside speeds up.
 Balance is compensated with relativity
 in space-time. To be fair, Prof. Hawking
 did not mention the notion of parallel
 realities and bifurcating timelines.
 The 'Parallel Universe' theory is the only
 theory that allows time travel to the past,
 but the illusion of 'past' time travel
 is compensated for by leaving the timeline
 entirely; so, technically, the past is
 an illusion, merely another parallel
 reality not within the timeline in which
 you started. In other words, the only way
 to travel backwards is to jump onto an
 entirely different timeline which creates
 the illusion of traveling backwards.
 The arrow of time is not violated, and
 you lose track of your original timeline,
 existing thereafter in a parallel, seemingly
 'past' timeline (assuming the reality isn't
 completely divergent!)  At its core, 'time'
 really is illusory. Einstein said it
 didn't really exist, but was a human
 cognitive construct. All we ever really
 know is now. We can only travel in the now,
 creating various illusions along the way.

 [SEE: 'Into The Universe with Stephen Hawking'
   http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/stephen-hawking/ ]

 I guess that wonderful notion of 'us'
 jumping into a time machine to take a
 look at what Ezekiel saw way back when
 and realizing he saw us in our time
 machine, was really less about going
 backwards and more about going SIDEWAYS
 onto a parallel track where a parallel
 Ezekiel existed contemporaneously with
 'us.' Hmmmm...  Quoting Saul Paul Sirag:

 "There's been some speculation that the
 Ezekiel vision was of what we today would
 call a flying saucer. In other words, an
 object of advanced technology.
 It's hard to know one way or another,
 but I've been wondering if it was not
 a time machine of some sort. Recently
 in Physical Review Abstracts (D 15 March
 1974) there was a report [by Frank Tipler]
 of the possibility of time travel by means
 of a rotating cylinder. It would be odd
 if we were to go in such a time machine
 to visit Ezekiel's time and place.
 We could do this, because we know the
 day he saw his vision, since he carefully
 recorded the time (a date equivalent to
 July 5, 592 BCE give or take a day) and
 place. It would be odd if in doing
 this -- to have a peek at Ezekiel's
 vision it turned out that what Ezekiel
 saw was just us in our time machine
 trying to have a peek at his vision."
   -- Saul-Paul Sirag (May 1974)
   home.netcom.com/~mthorn/quad4b.htm

 So, in a Multiverse, given a near infinite number
 of earths, (and Ezekiels), e.g. Earth Prime,
 Earth^2, Earth^3, Earth^4... all at various
 waveform manifestations with separate timelines,
 we could conceivably convince ourselves of all
 sorts of possibilities as they might apply to the
 illusory nature of time travel. Perhaps we'll
 figure this all out, in time...? AND...

 Yes...
 The curiosity of 'entropy,' light speed, time dilation,
 etc., according to relativity, quite proven by GPS
 satellite's onboard clocks slightly out of phase with
 earth surface clocks, and myriad's of other cosmological,
 quantum mechanical anti-intuitive shenanigans, verified;
 time travel, apparently is limited to future travel
 only... Curiouser and curiouser, however, the speed of
 light is, yea verily, limited to approx. 186,000 miles
 per second in 'SPACE' - lovely inflating invisible space,
 created, it seems, following the inflationary big bang
 dohicky, inflating, by the way, FASTER than the speed of
 light! Is that not interesting?  That space itself may
 expand faster than the speed of light, while the light
 within the superluminal inflation of space maintains
 its photonic speed limit!  Therefore, if one could
 perhaps circumvent 'space,' one could circumvent the
 speed of light?  Definitely not a technology for
 beginner fire apes. Seeya 'round the mountain!
 "When She Comes...
      She'll be Riding 6 White Horses,
      She'll be Riding 6 White Horses,
      She'll be Riding 6 White Horses,
 "When She Comes... "
    Which reminds me of the blood curdling gargoyles
 stationed at the portal to the pylons of the Temple
 of Cool Stuff specifically designed to occupy and
 derange the minds of barely evolved primates in search
 of specificity and shiny things. It gives them
 something to gnash their teeth and shiver their timbers
 over on the way toward enlightenment and non attachment
 to such things as temples, gargoyles, monkeys, horse-
 power, artificial intelligence, hyper-conspiratorial
 gyrations of an anti-critical thinking mode, and other
 amusements of a lucidly dreaming collective.
 Then again... Never mind.

 22|JUNE|2010 CE | 4:08 AM | Earth Prime?
      http://tinyurl.com/eyedead

 Eye-Dead: STAR LIGHT FIVE AT 3:33 :       
   http://pweb.netcom.com/~mthorn/eyedead.htm

   Betelgeuse:   600 light-years away
   Bellatrix:    245 light-years away
   Alnitak:      800 light-years away
   Alnilam:      1340 light-years away
   Mintaka:      915 light-years away
   Saiph:        720 light-years away
   Rigel:        770 light-years away

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 SECOND ADDENDUM

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SarfattiScienceSeminars/messages

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 Subject: What Do You Know About: Interstellar (2014)?
          [Correction: DARK FLOW (FINAL MESSAGE |
          Re: "Reoxidized Nitrous Oxide used as a
          Gate Dielectric for Charge-Trapping
          Non Volatile Memory")]
 Date: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 0:54

 What Do You Know About: Interstellar (2014)?

 Interstellar (2014)
    "An exploration of physicist
 Kip Thorne's theories of
 gravity fields, wormholes and
 several hypotheses that
 Albert Einstein was never
 able to prove." [...]
 'Interstellar, Steven Spielberg,
 ORIGINAL TITLE, Interstellar.
 YEAR. 2014.' [...]
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Interstellar+%282014%29

 NASA's Gravity Probe B (GP-B) mission
 has confirmed two key predictions
 derived from Albert Einstein's general
 theory of relativity, which the
 spacecraft was designed to test.
  http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/gpb/
 [Note: "The Gravity Probe B gyroscopes
 are the most perfect spheres ever made
 by humans. If these ping pong-sized
 balls of fused quartz and silicon were
 the size of the Earth, the elevation
 of the entire surface would vary by
 no more than 12 feet."]
 The experiment, launched in 2004,
 used four ultra-precise gyroscopes
 to measure the hypothesized geodetic
 effect, the warping of space and time
 around a gravitational body, and
 frame-dragging, the amount a spinning
 object pulls space and time with it as
 it rotates. GP-B determined both
 effects with unprecedented precision
 by pointing at a single star,
 IM Pegasi, while in a polar orbit
 around Earth.
  http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/gpb/

 LIGO - Laser Interferometer
 Gravitational Wave Observatory
  http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/

 Simulating eXtreme Spacetimes:
 A Caltech-Cornell Project's simulation
 of black holes and other extreme spacetimes:
  http://www.black-holes.org/researchers3.html

 Gravitational Wave Astronomy:
   http://www.black-holes.org/gwa1.html
 Ripples in the Fabric of Space Time:
 [...] "...The Earth orbiting the Sun is
 just like a paddle spinning and stirring
 up spacetime so that gravitational waves 
 travel out across spacetime." [...]
  http://www.black-holes.org/gwa1.html

 Kip Thorne
  http://www.its.caltech.edu/~kip/scripts/biosketch.html

 Born in Logan Utah in 1940, Kip Thorne
 received his B.S. degree from Caltech in 1962
 and his Ph.D. from Princeton University
 in 1965. After two years of postdoctoral study,
 Thorne returned to Caltech as an Associate
 professor in 1967, was promoted to Professor
 of Theoretical Physics in 1970, became
 The William R. Kenan, Jr., Professor in 1981,
 and The Feynman Professor of Theoretical
 Physics in 1991.

 In June 2009 Thorne resigned his Feyman
 Professorship (becoming the Feynman Professor
 of Theoretical Physics, Emeritus) in order
 to ramp up a new career in writing, movies,
 and continued scientific research. His principal
 current writing project is a textbook on
 classical physics. His principal current movie
 project is Interstellar, for which he
 co-authored the story and is executive producer,
 and Steven Spielberg is the Director.
 [NOTE: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/ ]

 [...] He is a co-founder (with Weiss and Drever) of
 the LIGO (Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave
 Observatory) Project and he chaired the steering
 committee that led LIGO in its earliest years
 (1984-87). In the 1980s, 90s and 2000s he and
 his research group have provided theoretical
 support for LIGO, including identifying
 gravitational wave sources that LIGO should
 target, laying foundations for data analysis
 techniques by which their waves will be sought,
 designing the baffles to control scattered light
 in the LIGO beam tubes, and --- in collaboration
 with Vladimir Braginsky's (Moscow Russia)
 research group --- inventing quantum-nondemolition
 designs for advanced gravity-wave detectors. [...]
  http://www.its.caltech.edu/~kip/scripts/biosketch.html

 For a short[!] biographical sketch, please click here:
  http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~kip/scripts/shortbio.html

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 Approaching Solar System's Edge,
 Voyager Probes Detect A Foamy Sea
 of Magnetic Bubbles
  http://tinyurl.com/Popsci-Voyager-Bubbles
 (A frothy moat, not a shield,
 protects us from cosmic rays)
 [...]
 "Along with revising their theories about the
 sun's protective casing, scientists may also
 need to revise accepted theories about cosmic
 rays themselves. If the moat affects how many
 get in, there could be more or less of them
 than we thought. This could change our
 understanding of the early Milky Way and how
 stars interact with the rest of the galaxy.
 Understanding cosmic rays will be crucial for
 interplanetary missions, because the low-energy
 radiation can harm astronauts who venture
 outside of Earth's protective magnetic fields."
 [...]
  http://tinyurl.com/Popsci-Voyager-Bubbles

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 THIRD ADDENDUM

 See also, STARGATE:
  http://home.netcom.com/~mthorn/stargate.htm

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      "The Neurobiology of Narratives" --QUOTE:
   "The impact of narratives on human psychology
   ranges widely from what events we remember
   most easily to our choices about important
   foundational behaviors to include our degree
   of trust in others. Since the brain is the
   proximate cause of our actions, narratives
   have a direct impact on the neurobiological
   processes of both the senders and receivers
   of them. Understanding how narratives inform
   neurobiological processes is critical if we
   are to ascertain what effect narratives have
   on the psychology and neurobiology of human
   choices and behaviors, and can assist in
   everything ranging from exploring how Post-
   Traumatic Stress Disorder is influenced by
   event repetition to better understanding the
   thoughts and feelings of others." :UNQUOTE--
  http://www.darpa.mil/Opportunities/Solicitations/DSO_Solicitations.aspx

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    With atavistic affection, respect and understanding
 for each person's right to their rites, in commemorating
 the ancient rock carvings that catch a sliver of the
 final rays of the dying disk of life, signaling to the
 people to ignite their bonfires, string torches around
 their cave entrances, party hearty to alleviate their
 dismal gloom in the waning days and coming endless night
 of their dying Sun, to observe with wonder the disk's
 descent, halting at a maximum depth, the transgressions
 of the people apparently forgiven, as the Sun gives
 birth to itself, the light of the life regenerated,
 sustaining with gradual vigor the health of flora and
 fauna, all the biosphere, gravitationally anchored to
 the surface of our beloved orb, under the incarnate,
 watchful eye of a new born Sun.  Happy Winter Solstice!
                              -- eMpTy  22 December 2011
                          http://tinyurl.com/filter-2oii
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    THE PHYSICS OF CONSCIOUSNESS

  [...]  The weak force is carried by a trinity
  of very heavy particles: the W^+, W^-, and
  Z^o particles. The W^+ particle carries a
  positive electric charge, the W^- particle
  carries a negative electric charge like the
  electron, and the Z^o carries no charge.
  This trinity of particles has the ability to
  change the flavors of quarks; for example,
  they can change a down quark into an up quark.
       Our inventory then includes (1) the four
  forces: gravitation, electromagnetism, the
  strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear
  force, (2) the quarks that form the mesons and
  baryons, and (3) the leptons: electrons, muons
  and tau particles, along with their neutrinos.
       The four forces involve the graviton, the
  photon, eight gluons, and three particles that
  carry the weak force. That is 13 particles.
       Then there are the leptons: electrons,
  electron neutrinos and their antiparticles,
  the positron and electron antineutrino; the
  muon, which looks in every way just like an
  electron except that it is heavier, its muon
  neutrino, and their two antiparticles; and the
  tau particle, which is just a fat muon,
  together with its neutrino and their
  antiparticles. That is 12 leptons.
       Finally, we have the set of six quarks,
  which come in six flavors and three TV-colors,
  together with an entire set of antiquarks
  having Xerox-colors and opposite electric
  charges. This makes a total of 36 kinds of
  quarks. Thus we have 36 quarks, 12 leptons,
  and 13 particles involved with the four forces.
  Altogether that makes 61 kinds of particles.
  That is the "standard model."
       In addition to these, there is one more
  particle called a Higgs boson, a particle
  expected to be like a quanta (i.e., the chunks
  of energy) postulated to give the W^+, W^-, and
  Z^o particles their heavy masses. To say the
  least, as Chris Quigg put it in Scientific
  American, "By the criterion of simplicity the
  standard model does not seem to represent
  progress over the ancient view of matter as
  made up of earth, air, fire and water,
  interacting through love and strife."
  [...]  Page 82; Chapter 6 - Hunt for the
          Tin Man's Heart; THE PHYSICS OF
          CONSCIOUSNESS, The Quantum Mind
         And The Meaning Of Life (c) 2000
        By Evan Harris Walker [1935-2006]
                       ISBN 0-7382-0436-6
  http://www.google.com/search?q=Evan+Harris+Walker                   
  _________________________________________________

 NOVA | What Are Dreams?
  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/what-are-dreams.html

  ============================================

 Researchers Prove A Single Memory Is Processed
 In Three Separate Parts Of The Brain
 (February 1, 2006) -- University of California,
  Irvine researchers have found that a single brief
  memory is actually processed differently in
  separate areas of the brain -- an idea that until
  now scientists have only suspected to be true.
  The finding will influence how researchers examine
  the brain and could have implications for the
  treatment of memory disorders caused by disease
  or injury. [...] full story:
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060202182107.htm

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   http://tinyurl.com/W01T-0N-H1GG5

 [ No wonder the Vatican is freaking out! ]

  Such an eerie, almost unseemly irony,
  this latest Pope's Invocation of the
  "The great Galileo" who only as recent
  as the previous Pope's reign received
  a half-hearted apology. Now this Pontif
  wants to beatify his predecessor, while
  both fumbled the horrific 'Short-Eyes'
  clergy scandal. Can that be forgiven?!

 THE PONTIFICAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES
  International Symposium on
   Subnuclear Physics:
  Past, Present and Future
 30 October -2 November 2011 | Casina Pio IV
  http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/

  Perhaps the Vatican should worry less
  about advances in quantum mechanics,
  particle physics and the discoveries
  made therein that the Vatican feels
  possibly threatened by and therefore
  inclined to take preemptive steps to
  spin the data according to their age
  old intermediary methods of constrain
  and control, and instead worry more
  about the Human Sexological Psychology
  of a significant percentage of their
  clergy.  Undoubtedly, anything 'human'
  or divergently 'human' that the Vatican
  encounters which presents a problem to
  their self-anointed preeminence in
  thought control, can so very easily be
  dismissed as 'the work of the devil,'
  instantly precluding any sort of
  reasonable approach to dealing with it
  in a mature and well informed manner.

 Sessuologia - Le istituzioni in Italia
  http://www.informagiovani.it/sessualita/istituzioni.htm

 
   http://tinyurl.com/W01T-0N-H1GG5 
  _________________________________________________

 On Sunday, 18 December, 2011 8:28, "Thorn Alley" wrote:

 Algorithm:
  "In mathematics and computer science,
   an algorithm is an effective method
    expressed as a finite list of
     well-defined instructions for
      calculating a function."

                       ~o0-O-0o~                     

 "Are Computers Creative?"
   Studio 360 - http://www.studio360.org/2011/dec/16/

                       ~o0-O-0o~                     

     "God does not play dice with the Universe?"
 An article by Jack Sarfatti [ http://stardrive.org ]
           -=[[ NOTE: "ORIGINAL IN ITALIAN
                       THIS IS A GOOGLE
                        TRANSLATION" - JS ]]=-
      http://tinyurl.com/GDNPDWTUAABJS-12-17-11 

                       ~o0-O-0o~                     

 The First Artificially Intelligent SELF-AWARE Device?*

    Typically, AI engineers recognize the infinitely
 difficult ready-made example to emulate. Following
 four billion years of life: manifesting, dividing,
 mutating, surviving; developing naturally selected
 mechanisms of avoidance, attraction, aggression,
 nurturing, symbiosis, osmosis, destruction,
 construction, invention, inquiry, and EMOTION...
 At best, Artificial Intelligence has achieved a
 kind of self-teaching, search engine method of
 mimicry, entirely a trick of abstract mathematics,
 devoid of any real self-referencing awareness.
 This is about to change, and may have already been
 achieved elsewhere in the multiverse.
 The First Artificially Intelligent SELF-AWARE Device
 will be designed to accommodate nested levels of
 continuous informational input. Data regarding its
 own construction down to the molecular level and
 power variances, with the latter providing emotion-
 emulation sensor feedback relating to performance
 and behavioral interpretation relevancy, will
 all run continuous with constant updates on all
 infrastructural coordinates emanating from every
 conceivable source of information available on
 and off the planet. Self-awareness, with an
 emulated emotional component will synergistically
 appear within the central core of the device's
 pseudo-metabolic equilibrium calibration system.
 The initial size and power requirements of the
 device will dwarf current building-sized
 supercomputer networks, but with the eventual
 implementation of bio-quantum hybrid entanglement
 systems, size will shrink small enough to fit
 inside any autonomous ambulatory mechanized shell.

 [ To Be Continued...  -- eMpTy 11:33PM, I7|DEC|II ]

        ([ http://tinyurl.com/MT-RETINA ])

        ...  Imagine an infinite cloud of eternal
   potential, undefined; whereupon 'consciousness'
   notices a point in the cloud, and that specific
   point facilitates a collapse of a wave function,
   defining a tangible reality: one universe amid
   a potential multiversal cloud. These emergent
   parallel realities, where timelines bifurcate
   into separate universes, may basically be how
   time-travel paradoxes are circumvented. If you
   travel back in time to successfully convince
   your great, great, great grandfather to a life
   of celibacy, you manage to erase your emergence
   in that timeline, but not the timeline of your
   origin. They are separate, parallel timelines.
   Therefore, 'paradox' is hypothetically averted.
   Happy Quantum Surfing & 'Brane' Shuffling!

   -=[[ NOTE: Notwithstanding a more independent,
       fluid notion of consciousness, regardless of
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| Subject: Re: Woodward's phi = c^2 only makes sense at
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On 1/4/2012 7:31 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

[JS:]
 Z, Woodward's argument is totally
 unintelligible to me because 

 1) I don't know what he means by
    "inertial reaction forces" in
    terms of the language of GR

[PZ:]
I think he means what everyone else means.

[JS:]
 Here is what I mean

 inertial reaction force IRF is always on
 the detector not on a geodesic test particle

[PZ:]
Test particle *is* a detector if you are
measuring inertial reaction. Of course a
test object experiences inertial reaction
when pushed off a geodesic!

[JS:]
 IRFdetector ~ c^2{Levi-Civita
 Connection}^i =1,2,3 00

 c is always a universal absolute constant in
 vacuum provided we can neglect vacuum
 polarization from the virtual electron-positron
 pair zero point plasma - we can to an
 extraordinary degree in all experiments so far.

 2) and of course I haven't a clue about what
    Jim means by phi = c^2 comes from FRW metric
    when k = 0.

[PZ:]
Well this is the question.

[From Wikipedia:]

 // ----------------------------------

The Friedmann equations are equivalent
to this pair of equations:

-=[[ equations omitted ]]=-
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann_equations ]

The first equation says that the decrease in
the mass contained in a fixed cube (whose side
is momentarily a) is the amount which leaves
through the sides due to the expansion of the
universe plus the mass equivalent of the work
done by pressure against the material being
expelled. This is the conservation of
mass-energy (first law of thermodynamics)
contained within apart of the universe.

The second equation says that the kinetic
energy (seen from the origin) of a particle
of unit mass moving with the expansion plus
its (negative) gravitational potential energy
(relative to the mass contained in the sphere
of matter closer to the origin) is equal to
a constant related to the curvature of the
universe. In other words, the energy (relative
to the origin) of a co-moving particle in
free-fall is conserved. General relativity
merely adds a connection between the spatial
curvature of the universe and the energy
of such a particle: positive total energy
implies negative curvature and negative
total energy implies positive curvature.

 ---------------------------------- //

[PZ:]
So I suppose phi = c^2 is directly related
to the large-scale curvature of the critical
density FRW universe?

But if phi = -h_00/2 = c^2, all covariant
derivatives of h_00 must vanish, and there
is no gravity field -- so the weak field
model doesn't help us.

So I'd still like Jim to explain
how and why phi = c^2 in FRW.

[JS:]
 I need to see an algebraic proof of that
 in complete detail.

----------- O -----------

 On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Paul Zielinski wrote:

[PZ:]
   I'm saying that even according to Woodward's
   own argument, phi = c^2 is satisfied in an
   FRW critical-density universe whether or not
   one adopts a Machian model for inertia.

[JS:]
 I find that unintelligible without
 a mathematical demonstration.

[PZ:]
Yes but my point is that even IF he can prove
it for FRW, it doesn't in itself prove that
inertia is Machian.

[PZ:]
   I think I understand Bernstein's argument
   for phi = c^2, if phi is the Newtonian
   gravitational potential - GM/R, where R is
   taken to  be the radius of the universe,
   on the *assumption* that observers at the
   periphery (radius R) all see light speed
   recession from the center.

[JS:]
 Yeah, well that is BAD PHYSICS. First of all
 Bernstein seems to have forgotten about basic
 Newtonian potential theory in which there is
 NO INTERIOR Newtonian gravity force anywhere
 in the interior of a spherically symmetric
 static thin shell of mass of radius R and
 total mass M.

[PZ:]
There is no mass shell at radius R Jack.
It's just a mathematical shell. The sphere
encloses the universe.

[JS:]
 I don't understand "observers at the periphery
 (radius R) all see light speed recession from
 the center."

 What's the math of that? What metric?

[PZ:]
I don't either. Is recession of the periphery from
the center not superluminal in a critical density
FRW universe? Maybe.

[JS:]
 It's NOT

 g00 = 1 - 2GM/c^2r

 because that only works for r > 2GM/c^2

[PZ:]
OK.

[JS:]
 The INTERIOR OBSERVER-DEPENDENT
 cosmological metric is

 g00 = 1 - r^2/A

 1/A is the dark energy future event horizon

 we are at r = 0

 A ~ entropy-area of the horizon

 It's Hawking temperature is

 T = hc/LpkB

 The black body law is energy density ~ T^4

 However, the future horizon is an infinite
 redshift surface. That implies that
 BACK-FROM-THE FUTURE Wheeler-Feynman
 Hawking ADVANCED radiation is RED SHIFTED
 down to temperature

 T = hc/(ALp^2)^1/4

 I think I am the first to notice this?

 Therefore, the black body radiation energy
 density we see at r = 0 is hc/ALP^2  (the
 Stephan-Boltzmann constant works out fine)
 which is the observed dark energy density.

[PZ:]
   But this is merely happenstance. There has
   to be more. Does Jim have additional arguments
   to show that the universe *must* have critical
   mass for fundamental reasons?

[PZ:]
I meant critical mass density.

[JS:]
 Again I need to see how k = 0 implies
 phi = c^2. What is "phi" in terms of
 the FRW math?

[PZ:]
Exactly.

[PZ:]
   I'm still not at all clear how the gravitational
   potential phi = c^2 translates into GR. The metric
   g_uv(x) is the gravitational potential in GR.
   It's a tensor potential. So how does Jim get from
   phi = c^2 to tensor g_uv? What corresponds to the
   Newtonian scalar potential phi in the FRW model?

[JS:]
 Indeed, I have asked this a jillion times.

[PZ:]
   Linearized model gives us h_00 = -2phi for
   the scalar potential, but that's a weak
   field approximation.

[JS:]
 Right, but it's NOT a constant and if

 -2phi/c^2 = 1 then g00 = 0 a horizon, which is
 not possible in the weak field and it says that
 g00 everywhere-when.

 This is complete topsy turvy nonsense in my opinion.

[PZ:]
Looks like it.


[PZ:]
   It's not an exact relationship in 
   the full theory. But OK if we use
   this, exactly how do we get
   h_00 = -2c^2 from the FRW model?

[JS:]
 We don't.

[PZ:]
Let's see what Woodward says about this.

Z.

----------- O -----------

[PZ:(?)]
   And wouldn't that mean that the first-order
   gravitational field vanishes at large scales?
   Since in order to get real non-tidal gravity
   we need h_00,u =/= 0 for some u in
   rectilinear coordinates?

   On 1/4/2012 4:54 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

[PZ:(?)]
      As long as the FRW conditions are satisfied,
      *according to your own argument* phi = c^2
      regardless of whether one adopts a Machian
      model for inertia or not. So I think there
      is a glaring flaw in your basic
      reasoning here.

[JS:(?)]
    I don't see how the FRW metric
    has phi = c^2. Where is that?

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|          phi = c^2 only makes sense at event horizons
|          in Einstein's GR for SSS solutions)
| Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 01:58:15 -0800

[A-PPP:]
Useful tutorial for some.
What I'm really looking forward to
reading from you, Jim, is a direct
response to Paul & Jack's points.

Andrew

----------- O -----------

--- On Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:38 AM, "JF Woodward" wrote:

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| Subject: Re: Waiting for Woodward
          (Re: Woodward's phi = c^2 only
          makes sense at event horizons in
          Einstein's GR for SSS solutions)

[JFW:]
    FRW stands for Friedmann-Robertson-Walker (and
when L is included, Lemaitre) cosmological models. 
The are predicated on the "cosmological principle"
which asserts that at sufficiently large scale, the
distribution of "matter" [everyting that gravitates]
is homogeneous and isotropic, and aside from
"peculiar", random local motions, partakes in
"Hubble flow" as the universe expands or contracts.

FRW cosmological models come in three types,
identified by their "curvature index" k which is
either +1, 0, or -1.  The indexes correspond
respectively to "spherical", flat, and "hyperbolic". 
The one of interest here is the (spatially) flat
model with index 0.  This model has the distinctive
feature of "critical cosmic matter density", which
corresponds to an "omega" equal to 1.  This condition,
if initially present, is time independent.

All the talk about phi = c^2 and FRW cosmology
relates to the fact that for spatially flat universes
with curvature index zero and critical cosmic matter
density, what is the relationship between the
non-gravitational energy and the gravitational
potential energy in any region of spacetime?

The snippet from Bernstein's text on cosmology
that I provided to a few on this list show via
calculation that FRW cosmologies satisfy:

"kinetic" energy - gravitational potential energy = E

where E is an integration constant.  To get this
equation in a form where it is expressed in terms
of invariants, you consider the horizon condition.
The horizon is receding from each observer at
speed c, so the "kinetic" or non-gravitational
"energy" will be c^2, and the gravitational
potential energy is just GM/R, where M and R are
the mass and radius of the universe.
Now we have:

      c^2 - GM/R = E

and for spatially flat cosmologies E = 0, so:

      c^2 = GM/R

GM/R is just "phi".  Notice now that if you
multiply through this equation by m, the mass
of the contents of some region of space,
you get:

      mc^2 = GmM/R = phi m

That is, the mc^2 energy is exactly equal to
the gravitational potential energy (as mentioned
in the articles that Jack and Paul have circulated
in this discussion).

Now GM/R is the "phi" under discussion, and
c^2 is c^2.  So the above shows that for spatially
flat FRW universes phi = c^2.  It turns out that
this is exactly the condition required for inertial
reaction forces to be due exclusively to the
gravitational action of chiefly distant matter. 
This follows from the calculations of Einstein,
Sciama, and Nordtvedt, as discussed in
earlier emails.

The question of the day seems to be:
Does phi = c^2 as a horizon condition
in spatially flat FRW cosmology (with
critical cosmic matter density) really
mean that this condition is true at
every point in spacetime?  The short
answer is yes.  Were it not true,
mc^2 = m phi for arbitrary regions of
space would not be true.  Homogeneity
and isotropy, however, require that
mc^2 = m phi everywhere.

There are other ways of dealing with the
c^2 = phi issue (that in at least one case
I've already mentioned elsewhere). 
But it's late, and this is enough
for this evening.

----------- O -----------

-=[[ NOTE: THANK YOU! ]]=-

--- On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:46:35, "eMpTy" wrote:

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| Subject: Waiting for Woodward (Re: Woodward's
|          phi = c^2 only makes sense at event horizons
|          in Einstein's GR for SSS solutions)
| Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:46:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)

As someone who still has one foot in the Paleolithic age,
there is a slight possibility that I might speak for a
tiny fractional percentage of the mysterious individuals
included on this particular email list when I say:
"You lost me at FRW."

Stooopid question time...

-=[[ NOTE: QUOTE: "These equations are the basis
of the standard big bang cosmological model
including the current /\CDM model. Because the
FLRW model assumes homogeneity, some popular
accounts mistakenly assert that the big bang
model cannot account for the observed lumpiness
of the universe. In a strictly FLRW model, there
are no clusters of galaxies, stars or people,
since these are objects much denser than a
typical part of the universe. Nonetheless,
the FLRW model is used as a first approximation
for the evolution of the real, lumpy universe
 because it is simple to calculate, and models
which calculate the lumpiness in the universe
are added onto the FLRW models as extensions.
Most cosmologists agree that the observable
universe is well approximated by an almost
FLRW model, i.e., a model which follows the
FLRW metric apart from primordial density
fluctuations. As of 2003, the theoretical
implications of the various extensions to
the FLRW model appear to be well understood,
and the goal is to make these consistent with
observations from COBE and WMAP." CLOSE QUOTE
http://tinyurl.com/wiki-Walker-FLRW-metric ]]=-

...So, the stooopid question, then, is:

Are you attempting to refine the assimilation
process, whereby old cosmological theories are
updated and integrated with current understanding,
post accelerated inflation, via dark energy, and/or
whatever the best guess interpretation of the
relevant data is, by the best available 'minds'
who are hard at work on this game? And in the
course of this assimilation process, has an
apparent snag, semantically speaking, arisen
that can only be put to rest with the appropriate
algebraic equation? Is the problem really this
complicated, or is there some neurological
fascination with complexity, for complexity's sake,
that has crept into the convoluted folds of the
collective cerebral cortex?  --eMpTy 11:45PM
                               04|Jan|2012
                       http://tinyurl.com/mtretina

P.S. Or my favorite: I'm a hopeless idiot who will
    never understand any aspect of this conundrum?
    -=[[NOTE: Yes. I am, of course, speaking only
              of myself here. Very tragic, indeed.]]=-
          http://home.netcom.com/~mthorn/quad4.htm

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JFW: where E is an integration constant.  To get this
equation in a form where it is expressed in terms
of invariants, you consider the horizon condition.
The horizon is receding from each observer at
speed c,

JS: This is an error as shown by Tamara Davis in her Ph.D.

"We use standard general relativity to clarify common misconceptions about fundamental
aspects of the expansion of the Universe. In the context of the new standard
CDM cosmology we resolve conflicts in the literature regarding cosmic horizons
and the Hubble sphere (distance at which recession velocity = c) and we link these
concepts to observational tests. We derive the dynamics of a non-comoving galaxy
and generalize previous analyses to arbitrary FRW universes. We also derive the
counter-intuitive result that objects at constant proper distance have a non-zero
redshift. Receding galaxies can be blueshifted and approaching galaxies can be redshifted,
even in an empty universe for which one might expect special relativity to
apply. Using the empty universe model we demonstrate the relationship between
special relativity and Friedmann-Robertson-Walker cosmology."


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          (Re: Woodward's phi = c^2 only
          makes sense at event horizons in
          Einstein's GR for SSS solutions)

[JFW:]
    FRW stands for Friedmann-Robertson-Walker (and
when L is included, Lemaitre) cosmological models. 
The are predicated on the "cosmological principle"
which asserts that at sufficiently large scale, the
distribution of "matter" [everyting that gravitates]
is homogeneous and isotropic, and aside from
"peculiar", random local motions, partakes in
"Hubble flow" as the universe expands or contracts.

JS: And this is why Newton's Shell Theorem should approximate apply since universe as a whole does not rotate so no cosmological inertial frame dragging.

JFW: FRW cosmological models come in three types,
identified by their "curvature index" k which is
either +1, 0, or -1.  The indexes correspond
respectively to "spherical", flat, and "hyperbolic". 
The one of interest here is the (spatially) flat
model with index 0.  This model has the distinctive
feature of "critical cosmic matter density", which
corresponds to an "omega" equal to 1.  This condition,
if initially present, is time independent.

All the talk about phi = c^2 and FRW cosmology
relates to the fact that for spatially flat universes
with curvature index zero and critical cosmic matter
density, what is the relationship between the
non-gravitational energy and the gravitational
potential energy in any region of spacetime?

JS: How? Where's the math?

JFW: The snippet from Bernstein's text on cosmology
that I provided to a few on this list show via
calculation that FRW cosmologies satisfy:

"kinetic" energy - gravitational potential energy = E

JS: What is that equation above? FRW equations are  only for the scale factor a(t). Jim are wrong to extend them down many powers of ten to the lab scale of his experiment.




Look at the first equation the a dot term is what Jim means by "kinetic energy" - which is really here only a metaphor.

The metric here is





therefore a(t) is dimensionless




with k, the spatial curvature index, serving as a constant of integration for the second equation.
The first equation can be derived also from thermodynamical considerations and is equivalent to the first law of thermodynamics, assuming the expansion of the universe is an adiabatic process(which is implicitly assumed in the derivation of the Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker metric).
The second equation states that both the energy density and the pressure cause the expansion rate of the universe

 to decrease, i.e., both cause a deceleration in the expansion of the universe. This is a consequence of gravitation, with pressure playing a similar role to that of energy (or mass) density, according to the principles of general relativity. The cosmological constant, on the other hand, causes an acceleration in the expansion of the universe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker_metric
[edit

JFW: where E is an integration constant.  To get this
equation in a form where it is expressed in terms
of invariants, you consider the horizon condition.
The horizon is receding from each observer at
speed c,

JS: This is an error as shown by Tamara Davis in her Ph.D.


JFW: so the "kinetic" or non-gravitational
"energy" will be c^2, and the gravitational
potential energy is just GM/R, where M and R are
the mass and radius of the universe.
Now we have:

      c^2 - GM/R = E


JS: This is wrong in my opinion. It does not follow from the FRW equations explicitly given aobve and it certainly does not apply to ordinary objects at our scale. What is R? I don't see any R in the FRW equations and I don't see any E either.

JFW: and for spatially flat cosmologies E = 0,

JS: This is wrong. k = 0 in spatially flat cosmologies. There is no "E".

JFW: so:

      c^2 = GM/R

GM/R is just "phi".  Notice now that if you
multiply through this equation by m, the mass
of the contents of some region of space,
you get:

      mc^2 = GmM/R = phi m

That is, the mc^2 energy is exactly equal to
the gravitational potential energy (as mentioned
in the articles that Jack and Paul have circulated
in this discussion).

JS: This makes no sense to my mind. In any case, one cannot claim that "m" is determined by Mach's principle from this argument.

JFW: Now GM/R is the "phi" under discussion, and
c^2 is c^2.  So the above shows that for spatially
flat FRW universes phi = c^2.  It turns out that
this is exactly the condition required for inertial
reaction forces to be due exclusively to the
gravitational action of chiefly distant matter. 
This follows from the calculations of Einstein,
Sciama, and Nordtvedt, as discussed in
earlier emails.

JS: None of this makes any sense to me. I do not see how what Jim says can be derived from the above FRW equation.
There is nothing in the FRW equations about "phi" or about "inertial reaction forces", there is no "E" there is no "phi".
How does k = 0 imply E = 0? What is E in terms of the FRW equations?

JFW: The question of the day seems to be:
Does phi = c^2 as a horizon condition

JS: Again the error pointed out in Tamara Davis's thesis.

JFW: in spatially flat FRW cosmology (with
critical cosmic matter density) really
mean that this condition is true at
every point in spacetime?  The short
answer is yes. 

JS: This is wrong. You cannot extrapolate from the cosmological FRW metric where an entire galaxy is a point down to Earth scale and certainly not down to elementary particle scale.

Also the motions we observer are peculiar motions relative to the Hubble scale a(t). The FRW equations tell us nothing about that.





Tamara Davis PhD dissertation


JFW: Were it not true,
mc^2 = m phi for arbitrary regions of
space would not be true.  Homogeneity
and isotropy, however, require that
mc^2 = m phi everywhere.

JS: This is false. Homogeneity and isotropy only apply at a large scale coarse graining in which details at our level are completely drowned out in a kind of cosmic tsunami - we are all swept away in the averaging process - conceptually.

JFW: There are other ways of dealing with the
c^2 = phi issue (that in at least one case
I've already mentioned elsewhere). 
But it's late, and this is enough
for this evening.

JS: On this closer analysis "phi = c^2" makes even less sense to me than before. I pronounce it dead in the water "not even wrong" in Pauli's sense.

The basic premises are wrong and the logic is not sound in my opinion.


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