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On Jul 11, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Saul-Paul Sirag wrote:

Gravitons are a prediction of quantum-gravity theories.


Gravity waves are a prediction of Einstein's General Relativity theory.

 These are separate issues. Exactly, C... and others on this list are muddled on this.

Also, gravity waves are far field which actually is leakage and no good for warp fields that need to be stable localized near field configurations.

From the quantum field theory POV

Classical far field gravity waves are coherent Glauber states of huge numbers of real on mass shell transverse polarized gravitons.

In contrast, the classical near field gravity fields, e.g. g00 = 1 - rs/r in Schwarzschild Solution are coherent Glauber state of huge numbers of VIRTUAL off-mass-shell gravitons that INCLUDE the THREE NON-TRANSVERSE POLARIZATIONS

ELECTROMAGNETISM IS SPIN 1 WITH THREE VIRTUAL POLARIZATIONS (one longitudinal shows up in near field).



FOR CRANK AMATEURS TO EQUATE THEM BASED ON A SUPERFICIAL RESEMBLANCE 1/r potential SHOWS HOW CLUELESS THEY ARE. Basically they are doing Cargo Cult Pseudo-Physics (e.g. L & Co).

Dark energy may be evidence for spin 1 gravitons since, as even you said, that does allow anti-gravity.

Direct gravity wave detectors would see spin 1 and spin 0 if they existed and were properly modified.

If the spin 0 and spin 1 gravitons had large masses from a Higgs mechanism they would not be seen in near field astronomy.

Also how they couple (strength) to fermions and gauge bosons is another issue.

The point is that tetrad gravity when quantized is SPIN 1

pairs of tetrad quanta can be spin 2, spin 1, spin 0 in orbital S-states. Indeed one can get even higher angular momenta

J = L + S

However, gravitons are required by superstring theory.
Although there is much controversy in the physics community over superstring theory, the recent discovery of the Higgs boson at CERN, opens the road to the discovery of supersymmetry partners, especially after the LHC is ramped up to its design energy of 14 GeV. This may be two years in the future, of course.


Gordon Kane (who won $100 in a bet with Stephen Hawking over the Higgs boson) has shown that there is an intimate connection between the Higgs boson (or bosons) and supersymmetry and superstring theory.

I mention this at the end of a short piece I wrote up called "20 things you (probably) didn't know about the Higgs boson."
It's written in the style of the "20 Things You Didn't Know" series in Discover magazine.

I'm attaching a pdf of this 3page article here:   <SPS-HiggsBoson-20Things-7Jul12.pdf>

All for now;-)
            On Jul 11, 2012, at 7:32 AM, fid wrote:

They might be waves, but not in the graviton sense according to ZPE. They are ripples in the Space-time vacuum...You can't get Dark Energy repulsion between gravitons and photons...C

Saul-Paul wrote:
Note that the Hulse-Taylor binary measurements provide very good indirect evidence for Gravity Waves  as described by Einstein's GR.

All for now;-)
On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Jonathan Post wrote:

Experiment will determine this.  If not LIGO - Laser Interferometer
Gravitational Wave Observatory, then someday with Laser Interferometer
Space Antenna (LISA) -- the joint NASA-ESA project to develop and
operate a space-based gravitational wave detector.


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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM, JACK SARFATTI <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.> wrote:
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On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:06 PM, C wrote:

Hal Puthoff doesn't even believe in gravity waves.

C is muddled and Hal Puthoff absolutely denies ever telling C this.

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