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What people do not seem to understand is that the vacuum Higgs field is a Glauber coherent state of off mass shell spin zero Higgs quanta. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherent_states

It's actually a virtual time crystal in Wilczek's sense.

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/426917/physicists-predict-the-existence-of-time-crystals/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle

Virtual particles are stabilized frozen into the macro-quantum coherent ground states by P.W. Anderson's phase rigidity. This is distinct from their role as random zero point fluctuations. The latter is analogous to the normal fluid with the former as the superfluid condensate in He4 for example.

Gapless acoustic phonons that correspond to transverse crystal distortions seem to be analogous to spin 1 quanta. However, the Lorentz group does not describe crystals in the v/c << 1 limit.

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A note concerning the spin of the phonon
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[PDF] Sound-Particles and Phonons with Spin 1
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Oct 20, 2010 – phonons with spin 1. In this letter, we estimate the masses of Sound Boson- Particles which are around 500 times smaller than the atom mass.

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[0708.3344] Higgs-mass predictions
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Jack Sarfatti Other examples:
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Jack Sarfatti ‎2) Static Coulomb field of a point charge q, i.e. e/r potential is a coherent Glauber state of longitudinally polarized spin 1 virtual photons of frequency f = 0 and wave numbers k weighted by 1/k^2 (see Wikipedia on Feynman propagators)
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Jack Sarfatti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagator

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Jack Sarfatti ‎3) ordinary space crystal ground states are Glauber coherent states of virtual phonons again of frequency f = 0 but now with wave vectors k ~ harmonics of 1/lattice spacings of the unit cell.
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Jack Sarfatti Note there are both acoustic and optical phonons. The acoustic phonons are analogous to the gapless Goldstone phase modes. The optical phonons with an energy gap are analogous to the Higgs bosons with mass of 125 Gev.
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Jack Sarfatti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon

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Jack Sarfatti In the case of the Higgs field, if it is a time crystal then it has a spectrum of frequencies f =/= 0 if it changes in time as well as a spectrum of wave vectors k =/= 0 if it also is inhomogeneous in space. The past and future cosmological horizons provide long wave cutoffs.


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On Aug 28, 2012, at 1:19 PM, JACK SARFATTI <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote:

What people do not seem to understand is that the vacuum Higgs field is a Glauber coherent state of off mass shell spin zero Higgs quanta.

It's actually a virtual time crystal in Wilczek's sense.

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On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:40 PM, Carlos Perelman wrote:

Dear Jack and Tony : Thank you very much for your links. A friend of mine sent me  
a compilation history of Higgs masses in the link by Thomas Schucker, version 8, 2011 : http://arxiv.org/abs/0708.3344

 
Best wishes carlos

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08/18/12 Celebrating Aharanov: Nicolas Gisin: “Quantum nonlocality based on finite-speed influences leads to signaling” (Javascript is required to view Mediasite content)
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On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:38 AM,... wrote:


It is unfortunate that he continues to promote misleading and overhyped claims about weak values/measurements. Remember that 'the future affecting the past' is not at all demonstrated by the experiments he cites. So the problem of free will in this context never even comes up. The whole issue is manufactured.

Free will *does* become problematic in a block universe view; that is the relevant context, not alleged past-directed influences that are simply presumed to exist by fiat.

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From: JACK SARFATTI <sarfatti@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Back From The Future with Yakir Aharonov - live online tomorrow - in real local Pacific Coast time
Date: August 18, 2012 1:45:47 PM PDT


I don't agree with you of course. :-)
Data from CIA SRI precognitive remote viewing of Puthoff & Targ & the Libet--> Radin --> Bierman ---> Bem data.
Of course that's signal nonlocality violating orthodox QM and Yakir is not including such an extension, though he would be open to it if one could make a lab device to show it.

Also I derived the observed dark energy density hc/ALp^2 as ADVANCED Hawking radiation back from our future event horizon where it is hc/Lp^4 and it is redshifted down to hc/ALp^2 where A is the area of the future horizon. The real Hawking thermal photons are "infinitely" redshifted down to virtual photons appearing as dark energy accelerating the universe.


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From: JACK SARFATTI [sarfatti@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:36 PM
To: JACK SARFATTI
Subject: Fwd: Back From The Future with Yakir Aharonov - live online tomorrow - in real local Pacific Coast time

It's Yakir's 80th Birthday - it's his show not mine. It looks like a very interesting meeting and I will be watching it on-line and making comments that will be recorded on video and sent around the Web via social networks like Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn etc etc.
Yakir Aharonov: “Can the future of a quantum particle affect the present without negating free will?”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 5:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7d6c6e07e0df4926847f67cb4e0cca001d

On Aug 16, 2012, at 5:19 PM, David Mathes <dmath777@yahoo.com<mailto:dmath777@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Jack

What? No Jack Sarfatti at a Back to the Future conference?

What were they thinking?

And thank you for the heads up.

Best

D

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Subject: Back From The Future with Yakir Aharonov - live online tomorrow - in real local Pacific Coast time
Date: August 16, 2012 3:04:18 PM PDT
To: JACK SARFATTI <adastra1@me.com<mailto:adastra1@me.com>>


Jack Sarfatti ‏@JackSarfatti<https://twitter.com/JackSarfatti>
http://lnkd.in/ZnXhNi <http://t.co/HyPOrlSn>  live online starting tomorrow, important back-from-the-future quantum physics talks - don't miss!
http://www.chapman.edu/research-and-institutions/quantum-studies/speakers-schedule.aspx

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David Gross: “A Century of Quantum Mechanics”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 8:35 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=051dbb1dfcd54e3380e7329413d115161d
Francois Englert: “Symmetry breaking and the scalar boson”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 9:05 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=8ef0c5e4eb544f15ac01d9b6a0c12b501d
Lenny Susskind: “Fast scramblers”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 9:35 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=732e3ccdcc72404aa01bfdf7870f20871d
Bill Unruh: “Thoughts on quantum measurement”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 10:45 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=69dc1e00008c422cbf8412fb7613de151d
Yakir Aharonov: “Review of the time-symmetric formulation of Quantum Mechanics”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 11:15 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=a01d892e57824755b6884d1f87daa65a1d
Sir Michael Berry: “Weak value probabilities”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 11:45 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b434c3e5c47144019ac82e5dc664d3cb1d
Paul Kwiat: “Making Strong Measurements Weaker, and Weak Measurements Stronger”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 2:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=48efe50c4ba843258b5b4917eb411e161d
Andrew Jordan: “Weak values: the progression from quantum foundations to tool”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 2:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=96a0dd88d0794315ad9dbc0fe4a497611d
John Howell: “Weak values and precision measurements”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 3:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=94ff2b48845f41fda2c242dc3d0ad8f11d
Daniel Rohrlich: “PR-Box correlations violate relativistic causality in the classical limit”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 2:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=8f3cf86b483d48c589ac799445f9bd921d
Philip Pearle: “Collapse miscellany”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 2:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=347ac491797742168474ce99e238c6cf1d
Scott Aaronson: “The ghost in the quantum Turing machine”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 3:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=41318a6361fe4f0d8e694740c168484d1d
Paul Davies: “Quantum post-selection in cosmology”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 4:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=28175935927f42dc872cd9e909eb37c61d
Sean Carroll: “A big universe”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 4:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b9d84f5e8229434c9d8cf26c45a243e41d
James Hartle: “The quantum mechanical arrow of time”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 5:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=ceaebc92dc104828a7187c80e4ebf9911d
Sir Anthony Leggett: “Macrorealism, noninvasiveness and weak measurement”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 8:30 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=61e27eca0ed043e29e3fe09a6e81ead81d
Aephraim Steinberg: “Weak measurement, uncertainty relationships, and tradeoffs in experimental quantum measurements”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 9:00 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=5bbe1b68ad154ae5ac425174e975a1321d
Andrew Briggs: “Experimental implementations of quantum paradoxes”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 9:30 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=a3c37383a12743d5abfedc9a53be3b751d
Neil Turok: “Anatomy of quantum tunneling”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 10:45 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=369d027bcbd14950b6d0d2d2734d22641d
Raymond Chiao: “Observation of a novel Aharonov-Bohm effect in two linked superconducting rings composed of different materials”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 11:15 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=20fd78a1355b45048c479f718bc845341d
Lev Vaidman: “Paradoxes of the Aharonov-Bohm and Aharonov-Casher effects”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 11:45 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=191a5b58046348a1956e596e43ad8cb71d
Aharon Casher: “Bounds on the norm of super-oscillatory functions”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 2:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=ccfbb353012b4570ac527df54aead79b1d
Benni Reznik: “Topological Wilson-loop area law manifested using a superposition of loops”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 2:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b07f9f3e3022432ca7f58cd79015d45d1d
Shmuel Nussinov: “A pre- and post- selected network picture for universal evolution”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 3:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=3f8e069bb9d14eeca71eaa82ac3250931d
A.D. Parks: “Weak Energy: form and function”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 2:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=5110c1e5bfa04deab29e57f2ed1830e41d
Lars Johansen: “Weak values beyond post-selection”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 2:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b3eaea6e531143c984509ef5ca84f0621d
Alonso Botero: “Entanglement and weak values: a quantum miracle cookbook”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 3:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=73b9081c617340dab42547ad7dac0bd81d
Nicolas Gisin: “Quantum nonlocality based on finite-speed influences leads to signaling”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 4:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7b1ded6174a146189212090b27818a781d
David Albert: “Physics and narrative”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 4:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=f9b9519414844b79b36ffda1240c65061d
Yakir Aharonov: “Can the future of a quantum particle affect the present without negating free will?”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 5:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7d6c6e07e0df4926847f67cb4e0cca001d

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Aug 18

Aharonov Meeting Live Online

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On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:29 AM, fred alan wolf <fawolf@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    I am.  Aharonov's English  is not easy to understand.  Fortunately I
am quite familiar with his concepts.  Best Wishes,

Fred Alan Wolf Ph.D.  aka Dr. Quantum R
Have Brains / Will Travel
San Francisco
mailto:fred@fredalanwolf.com web page: http://www.fredalanwolf.com Blog page: http://fredalanwolf.blogspot.com/ Facebook:  http://www.facebook.com/fawolf Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/doctor_quantum yes
all sorts of interesting experimental verifications and practical technology spin-offs coming from Aharonov's weak measurements with post-selection and weak values outside the strong projection operator eigenvalue spectrum.


Bill Unruh: “Thoughts on quantum measurement”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 10:45 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=69dc1e00008c422cbf8412fb7613de151d

Paul Kwiat: “Making Strong Measurements Weaker, and Weak Measurements Stronger”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 11:15 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=48efe50c4ba843258b5b4917eb411e161d

Sir Michael Berry: “Weak value probabilities”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 11:45 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b434c3e5c47144019ac82e5dc664d3cb1d

Andrew Jordan: “Weak values: the progression from quantum foundations to tool”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 2:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=96a0dd88d0794315ad9dbc0fe4a497611d

John Howell: “Weak values and precision measurements”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 3:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=94ff2b48845f41fda2c242dc3d0ad8f11d

Aephraim Steinberg: “Weak measurement, uncertainty relationships, and tradeoffs in experimental quantum measurements”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 9:00 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=5bbe1b68ad154ae5ac425174e975a1321d Andrew Briggs: “Experimental implementations of quantum paradoxes”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 9:30 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=a3c37383a12743d5abfedc9a53be3b751d Raymond Chiao: “Observation of a novel Aharonov-Bohm effect in two linked superconducting rings composed of different materials”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 11:15 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=20fd78a1355b45048c479f718bc845341d Ray shows transfer of spontaneous broken symmetry in a ferromagnet to a supercurrent in a ring provided that they are topologically linked.

Amusing to watch Yakir shoot down Vaidman's attempt at a local EM field explanation of the Aharonov-Bohm and its dual Aharonov-Casher effect.

I wonder if Lenny Susskind is ill? He was supposed to be there to give a talk "Fast Scrambler" and he was very close to Yakir.

Paul Davies on use of post-selected stress-energy tensor in cosmology also good.


Obviously post-select on our future event horizon and pre-select on our past particle horizon.
Coming this afternoon:

A.D. Parks: “Weak Energy: form and function”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 2:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=5110c1e5bfa04deab29e57f2ed1830e41d Lars Johansen: “Weak values beyond post-selection”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 2:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b3eaea6e531143c984509ef5ca84f0621d

Alonso Botero: “Entanglement and weak values: a quantum miracle cookbook”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 3:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=73b9081c617340dab42547ad7dac0bd81d

Nicolas Gisin: “Quantum nonlocality based on finite-speed influences leads to signaling”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 4:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7b1ded6174a146189212090b27818a781d David Albert: “Physics and narrative”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 4:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=f9b9519414844b79b36ffda1240c65061d

Yakir Aharonov: “Can the future of a quantum particle affect the present without negating free will?”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 5:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7d6c6e07e0df4926847f67cb4e0cca001d


-----Original Message-----
From: JACK SARFATTI [mailto:sarfatti@pacbell.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:18 AM
To: Fred Wolf

Subject: you watching the aharonov meeting?

http://www.chapman.edu/research-and-institutions/quantum-studies/speakers-
schedule.aspx

8:30 this AM live streaming

also I see it directly on my Apple TV setup.


On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:41 AM, Basil Hiley <b.hiley@bbk.ac.uk> wrote:


On 27 Jul 2012, at 07:00, nick herbert wrote:


On Jul 26, 2012, at 9:50 AM, nick herbert <quanta@cruzio.com> wrote:

1. The oft-cited remark that non-relativistic Bohmian mechanics gives the same result as conventional QM for all conceivable experiments is plain wrong. The two theories possess radically different ontologies which lead to radically different consequences.

BH: How can it be wrong?  It uses exactly the same mathematics, without the addition or subtraction of any new mathematical structure.  Its predicted expectation values found in all experiments are identical to those found from the conventional rules.  If you want to criticise it, why not simply say "It adds no new experimental predictions, so why bother with it?"  Then you can get into arguments about which interpretation is better in your opinion.  Then it is a matter of opinion not experimental science.

JS: However, Antony Valentini's extension does add new predictions consistent with my own independent investigations and also Brian Josephson's which already has observational evidence in its favor (Libet, Radin, Bierman, Puthoff-Targ, Bem)



NH: What exists in QM is a wavefunction, spread out in configuration space (and this wavefunction is "real" according to PBR). For a given quantum state all systems represented by that state have the same ontology.

BH: The ontology gives meaning to the notion of a "quantum state".  What does it mean to say "For a given quantum state  all systems represented by that state have the same ontology"?


NH: What exists in BM is an actual particle which for S-states has the remarkable property that v=0. In BM all systems represented by the same state are different--their difference (in the S-state case) being the differing positions of the static electron. A Bohmian S-state consists of an ensemble of stationary electrons each in a different position whose position pattern is given by psi squared.

It is this v=0 property of BM S-wave electrons that is used to create counterexamples to the contention that BM and QM give the same predictions.

1. Muonic Hydrogen. Like t! he electron the muon in the BM picture is stationary. Hence the muon lifetime in BM is the just the natural lifetime. However in QM the muon has a velocity distribution so the lifetime is lengthened by relativity. BM and QM predict different lifetimes for the muonic atom. One may object
that I have introduced relativity into a non-rel situation. However the QM and BM states are still non-rel.
The lifetime of the muon can be seen as a measuring device probing the ontology of the muonic hydrogen.
The probe uses a relativity effect to measure a non-rel configuration.


BH: I recall having already answered this criticism some time ago.  Time dilation is a relativistic phenomenon so you must use the relativistic Dirac theory in this case. 
JS:: Yes, Nick's error here is obvious. He appeals to the wrong equation for the problem. It's a Red Herring.

BH: In the past there I have been entirely happy with the treatment of the Bohm model of the Dirac equation that we have given.  However Bob Callaghan and myself have now obtained a new complete treatment of the Dirac equation with which I am completely happy. It uses the Clifford algebra in a fundamental way as it must to link with the known successful spinor structure.  See Hiley and Callaghan:  Clifford Algebras and the Dirac-Bohm Quantum Hamilton-Jacobi Equation.  Foundations of Physics,  42 (2012) 192-208.
 DOI:  10.1007/s10701-011-9558-z and in more detail in The Clifford Algebra Approach to Quantum Mechanics B: The Dirac Particle and its relation to the Bohm Approach,  (2010)    aXriv: 1011.4033.
Our work shows that the Bohm charge velocity of the electron is, in fact, given by v= Psi alpha Psi,  where alpha is the Dirac 4x4 matrix, which is related to the Dirac gamma matrices. (See Bohm and Hiley The Undivided Universe, p. 272 for our original treatment which is confirmed by our latest work.)  If you now look at the wave function of the ground state of the Dirac hydrogen atom which you can find in Bjorken and Drell p. 55 you will find the electron is moving in the ground state.  What is interesting is that when you take this expression and go to the non-relativistic limit you find the velocity is zero, exactly the result that the Schrödinger equation gives.  Remember the energy levels calculated from  the Schrödinger hydrogen atom are only approximations to those calculated using the Dirac hydrogen atom.

Do you have a reference to the paper that measures the lifetime of the muon in muonic hydrogen?  I can't find a good reference to a clean experiment which shows exactly how to measure the time dilation you mention.  I have recently written up the details of the calculation that I have outlined above but I would like to add a better reference to the actual measurement.


2. Electron Capture decay. Certain radioactive elements (Beryllium 7, for instance) possess an excess positive charge and do not have enough energy to decay by positron emission. Instead they capture the S-state electron which transforms a nuclear proton into a neutron and neutrino (inverse beta decay). Electron Capture (EC) is a very delicate probe of the ontology of the S-state electron. QM ontology (all electrons the same) predicts a smooth exponential decay. After many half-lifes all the Be7 is gone.
BM ontology predicts a very different outcome: exponential decay for all electrons located inside the nucleus;
infinite li! fe for stationary Bohmian electrons located outside the nucleus.

BH: You must read past the simple Bohm model introduced in chapter three of our book, "The Undivided Universe".  The first ten chapters contain a discussion of the non-relativistic Bohm model.  There we show that if you want to apply the theory to problems where the particles interact either with other particle or with fields like the electro-magnetic field, you must introduce an appropriate interaction Hamiltonian.  In section 5.3 to 5.5 we show how to deal with a very simple example of two-particle interactions.  These sections were written simply to illustrate how the mathematics work and how you can explain the results using the Bohm interpretation. NB the interpretation is only applied after we have solved the Schrödinger equation containing the interaction Hamiltonian.  You can't solve these equations exactly so you have to use perturbation theory.  Remember the maths is the same as for the standard interpretation.  It is the interpretation that is different.

What happens if the interaction Hamiltonian involves the electromagnetic potentials?  To discuss interaction with the electromagnetic field you must go to a relativistic theory.  This means you must use the Dirac equation.  Chapter 12 of our book begins to show you how to do this.  The work of Bob Callaghan and myself mentioned above takes this further.  What we have done is to discuss the free Dirac electron for simplicity.  We simply wanted to show how it worked without introducing more realistic interaction Hamiltonians. 
Now let me try to answer your question as to how we deal with electron capture.  In order to describe this capture, we have to introduce the appropriate interaction Hamiltonian.  What is the appropriate interaction Hamiltonian in this case?  To find this we have to go to a review article like "Orbital electron capture by the nucleus" [Rev. Mod Phys. 49 (1977) 77-221].  You will see that the interaction Hamiltonian is a weak electron current-hadron current interaction.  You must now put that into the Dirac equation and calculate away.  Well the calculations are all done in the Rev. Mod. Phys. paper and all we need to do is to interpret the results according to the Bohm model.

Where your analysis goes wrong is that you assume (1) the non-relativistic theory and (2)  there is no interaction between the nucleus and the electron.  You can do that to a first approximation to explain the principle of the Bohm model to, say, a first year undergraduate, but you must not say that's all there is.  It is not a true reflection of the processes that are involved!  There is an interaction between the nucleon and the electron and you must take this into account even in the Bohm model if you want to understand the physics.

If your message is simply to say that the naive Bohm model based on the Schrödinger is inadequate to deal with these problems then I totally agree with you.  Bohm and I have always recognised that the '52 work was just a first step.  Let me quote from his Causality and Chance book p. 118

“It must be emphasized, however, that these criticisms are in no way directed at the logical consistency of the model, or at its ability to explain the essential characteristics of the quantum domain.  Rather they are based on broader criteria, which suggest that many features of the model are implausible and, more generally, that the interpretation proposed in section 4 [of the ‘52 paper] does not go deep enough.”

I thought that in our book, "The Undivided Universe", we made it clear that chapter 3 was a first step.  All the remaining chapters were to show how the model was to be developed to meet many different actual situations found in nature.  Finally in chapter 15, we outlined what was going to be developed in a second volume, which would probe a much deeper structure but unfortunately Bohm died just as we were finishing the first book.

NH: If these two counter-examples to the QM/BM experimental identity conjecture have been discussed in the literature,
I! am unaware of it. But they should be.

BH: You are quite right, these points should be discussed in the literature.  Unfortunately I have been too involved in developing the ideas outlined in chapter 15 and that means going deeper into what I think really underlies quantum phenomena.  You will find some of this work in the latest publications of mine which are accessible on the net.  A good place to find a comprehensive review of my latest efforts is in my paper Process, Distinction, Groupoids and Clifford Algebras: an Alternative View of the Quantum Formalism, in New Structures for Physics, ed Coecke, B., Lecture Notes in Physics, vol. 813, pp. 705-750, Springer (2011).  Unfortunately I don't think it is available on the net at present but if you are interested I can send you a copy.

Thank you for your interest in our work.

Basil.


Nick Herbert

Yes, the dispute now is mainly over what the facts are for living minds.
That the no-signaling theorems even apply to entangled Glauber coherent states in orthodox quantum theory is debatable quite apart from Antony Valentini's formal extension of Bohm's ontological interpretation to sub-quantal non-equlibrium of the hidden variables. Remember the hidden variables are the classical spin 1 boson gauge field configurations moved by the super-quantum potential and the spin 1/2 fermion particles moved by the ordinary quantum potential (at least in the Galilean limit v/c << 1).

On Aug 11, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Russell Targ <radiant@pacbell.net> wrote:


You're on the right side of this one Jack.
The evidence is overwhelming that remote viewing, and psychic perception in general in non-local in space and time.
Describing near-term future events is exactly as easy, or difficult as describing contemporaneous hidden events.
Cheers,
Russ

On 8/11/2012 12:48 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
However the no signaling theorem is wrong
It's too limited
The facts of life falsify it
In my opinion
Eg Radin, Bierman, Bem, Puthoff &Targ et al


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On Aug 11, 2012, at 11:47 AM, art wagner <wagnerart@hotmail.com> wrote:

OPI - "A stronger form of bipartite quantum nonlocality emerges in this scenario: systems that never interacted are as nonlocal as allowed by no-signaling." http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1208.1965
 
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"It sounds impossible, indeed as though it is violating one of science's most cherished principles – causality – but the researchers say                     that the rules of the quantum world conspire to preserve causality by "hiding" the influence of future choices until those choices have actually been made."

The latest Aharonov paper on back from the future weak measurements in relation to final strong measurements has the Catch 22 that precognition is not possible. However, that contradicts experiments so his theory must not be complete. Aharonov assumes signal locality and that is what observations challenge.

t sounds impossible, indeed as though it is violating one of science's most cherished principles – causality – but the researchers say that the rules of the quantum world conspire to preserve causality by "hiding" the influence of future choices until those choices have actually been made.

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"It sounds impossible, indeed as though it is violating one of science's most cherished principles – causality – but the researchers say that the rules of the quantum world conspire to preserve causality by "hiding" the influence of future choices until those choices have actually been made."

The latest Aharonov paper on back from the future weak measurements in relation to final strong measurements has the Catch 22 that precognition is not possible. However, that contradicts experiments so his theory must not be complete. Aharonov assumes signal locality and that is what observations challenge.

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Jack Sarfatti It's not immediately clear if they are interpreting the data correctly.
There is no contradiction with free will if the conscious decision in the future acts retrocausally with the past readiness potential as the effect in a kind of SELF-CREATING mini Novikov globally self-consistent loop in time.

I explain the low value of the cosmological constant without a multiverse, without eternal chaotic inflation, without a landscape, without the need for large numbers like 10^500 and higher etc. The cosmological constant is simply advanced Wheeler-Feynman blackbody radiation from our detector-dependent future horizon that is completely redshifted down to virtual photons when it reaches us - or Type 1a supernovae in our past light cone because the horizons are infinite redshift surfaces in both directions of time. Also it explains the Arrow of Time.

hc/Lp^4 at the future horizon relative to the detector ---> hc/ALp^2 at the past detector is trivial in the retrocausal loop model that also fits Aharonov's destiny state vector.
On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:03 AM, JACK SARFATTI <adastra1@mac.com> wrote:

Fractal-Flows and Time's Arrow
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(Submitted on 29 Mar 2012 (v1), last revised 7 Apr 2012 (this version, v2))
This is the written version of a lecture at the KITP workshop on Bits, Branes, and Black Holes. In it I describe work with D. Harlow, S. Shenker, D. Stanford which explains how the tree-like structure of eternal inflation, together with the existence of terminal vacua, leads to an arrow-of-time. Conformal symmetry of the dS/CFT type is inconsistent with an arrow-of-time and must be broken. The presence in the landscape of terminal vacua leads to a new kind of attractor called a fractal-flow, which both breaks conformal symmetry, and creates a directional time-asymmetry. This can be seen from both the local or causal-patch viewpoint, and also from the global or multiversal viewpoint. The resulting picture is consistent with the view recently expressed by Bousso.


On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:54 AM, art wagner <wagnerart@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1203.6440

Yes, this is very relevant to my current conversation with Dan Smith.