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From: JACK SARFATTI Subject: Re: Fred Alan Wolf 10-19-2011
Date: October 20, 2011 2:15:44 PM PDT
To: fred alan wolf


FW: Oh, I looked into the time
reflected luxons producing tachyons.  The reflection symmetry is charge
conjugation C=PT.  So while space reflection of luxons giving R to L, e.g.,
is governed by P alone (ala Feynman zig zag), when you go backwards and then
forward in time you must use both P and T together--i.e., C symmetry.


JS: This is important. Also we need to be clear how the closed loop Feynman diagrams are needed for unitarity. Is it only for scalar Higgs diagrams or more general?

My idea

fermion closed loops are dark matter of positive vacuum pressure

boson closed loop are dark energy of negative vacuum pressure

the gravity source term in weak field Newtonian limit is RHS of

Laplacian of Newton's potential energy per unit test mass = G(mass density)(1 + 3w)

Peacock's theorem: Lorentz invariance + Einstein equivalence principle ---> w = -1 for all ZPF vacuum fluctuations

QM statistics gives

positive zero point energy density for virtual bosons

negative zero point energy density for virtual fermion-antifermion pairs

also consider ghost particles in Yang-Mills - opposite spin-statistics - they also are sources of (anti) gravity


FW: In effect the luxon going backward in time would be the same as antitachyon
going forward in time (ala Feynman).  I think this means an imaginary mass
term in place of a real mass term in the Lagrangian.  So we have the
interaction "potential" [im (L-bar R + R-bar L)] instead of [m (L-bar R +
R-bar L)]  as per the Weyl form of the Dirac Lagrangian.
I haven't fully checked the algebra, but I think it is right. 
Best Wishes,

Fred Alan Wolf Ph.D.
Have Brains / Will Travel
San Francisco

mailto:fred@fredalanwolf.com web page: http://www.fredalanwolf.com Blog page: http://fredalanwolf.blogspot.com/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gALi5B3bVSs

Oct 17

Pirates & Dinosaurs By Jonathan Vos Post

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Pirates & Dinosaurs
By
Jonathan Vos Post
Draft 23.0 of 11:35-12:40, 17 Oct 2011, 145 pages (including
references), adding the 2,000 word Chapter 25: “Parlay” for 148 pp. =
41,500 words of story, of 222 pp. total

Table of Contents
2.    1. Six to Thirteen Strings
5.    2. Dinny
7.    3. Bach to the Future
13.    4. Gage and Assebraker
16.    5. Port of Amalfi, 6 August 1136
19.    6. Cretaceous
23.    7. Music of the Spheres
32.    8. Gregarious Behavior
36.    9. Yo Ho My Ass
41.    10. Desert Island
47.    11. Pillar Erect
52.    12. Sneutrinos
61.    13. Brain Overclaim
66.    14. Pterodactyls in the Loo
72.    15. Feconey Cuzzin
80.    16. Trireme?
86.    17. Carronades
95.    18. Butterfly Effect
99.    19. Redvalve
108.    20. TARDIS
120.    21. Time Travel for Beginners
128    22. Is Time an Illusion?”
133.    23. The Questing Beast
138.    24: Levels of Piracy
149.    25. Parlay
157.    26. References
222.    27. Versions metadata

25. Parlay


Captain Lazzaro, carrying a white flag, flanked by Manuel Psaila,
Niccolo Pisani, Benedict Bonacci, and some of the other Crusaders,
walked up to Profesor Gage, Dr. Assebraker, Scatty Vickerman, Feconey
Cuzzin, and interested spectators from the mid-21st century team and
the 1800 pirate ship.
It took a while to find a language in which to converse, and
translators as back up. They settled on Latin.
“I am Captain Lazzaro, speaking in the name of Our lord Jesus Christ,
and the noble city of Pisa.”
“I am pleased to meet you. I am Professor Phileus Gage. I am the
leader of this team, who came from your future. What year do you
think this is?
“This is the Year of Our Lord One Thousand One Hundred Thirty-six,”
said Lazzaro. “Specifically, today is 6 August 1136.”
Feconey Cuzzin let out a laugh, then covered his mouth, and apologized.
“I am Captain Scatty Vickerman, of the good ship Loyally Pap. With all
due respect, Captain Lazzaro, today is the second day of January, the
Year of Our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred.”
Lazzaro, Psaila, Pisani, and Bonacci huddled for a moment, and spoke
is whispers.
“Impossible,” said Captain Lazzaro. “Innocent II is Pope. Pisa is
right now allied with King Richard the Lionhearted in the conflict
against King Roger II of Sicily.”
“Pope Pius VI died on 29 August 1799,” said Scatty Vickerman. “There’s
been a Papal conclave since then.”
Assebraker looked down at her NotePad. “I am Doctor Astrid Antikythera
Assebraker. That conclave led to the selection as pope of Giorgio
Barnaba Luigi Chiaramonti, who will take the name Pius VII, on 14
March 1800. This conclave, the last conclave to take place outside
Rome, was held in Venice. This period was marked by uncertainty for
the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church following the invasion of the
Papal States and abduction of Pius VI under the French Directory.”
The Crusaders again conferred amongst themselves. Vickerman and his
First mate also whipered head to head.
“If, for the sake of argument,” said Captain Lazzaro, “you are correct
about today’s date, then how can you speak of what is yet to come, two
and a half months in the future?”
“Because,” said Gage, “as I aid, my team comes from further in the future.”
“If I believe that,” said Lazzaro, “for the sake of argument, then how
far in the future?”
“We come from about 250 years from now,” said Gage. “Let me explain.”
“First,” interrupted Assebraker, “I have a question. Where did you
come from, if I accept for the sake of argument that you came from
1136?”
“Port of Amalfi,” said Lazzaro.
“Amalfi is a town and comune in the province of Salerno,” said Feconey
Cuzzin, “in the region of Campania, Italy, on the Gulf of Salerno.”
The Crusaders agreed.
“It is about 35kilometer southeast of Naples,” Assebraker told Gage,
consulting hr NotePad. “It lies at the mouth of a deep ravine, at the
foot of Monte Cerreto (1,315 meters = 4,314 feet), surrounded by
dramatic cliffs, and coastal scenery. The town of Amalfi was the
capital of the maritime republic known as the Duchy of Amalfi, an
important trading power in the Mediterranean between 839 and around
1200.”
Everyone in the know agreed with these facts, though some expressed
puzzlement at their precision.
“Are you near Amalfi now?” asked Assebraker.
Lazzaro allowed Bonacci to speak. “Amalfi is first mentioned in the
6th century, and soon acquired importance as a maritime power, trading
grain of its neighbors, salt from Sardinia, and slaves from the
interior, and even timber, for the gold dinars minted in Egypt and
Syria, in order to buy the Byzantine silks that it resold in the West.
Grain-bearing Amalfi traders enjoyed privileged positions in the
Islamic ports, Fernand Braudel notes. The Amalfi tables (Tavole
Amalfitane) provide a maritime code that was widely used by the
Christian port cities. Merchants of Amalfi were using gold coins to
purchase land in the 9th century, while most of Italy worked in a
barter economy. In the 8th and 9th century, when Mediterranean trade
revived it shared with Gaeta the Italian trade with the East, while
Venice was in its infancy, and in 848 its fleet went to the assistance
of Pope Leo IV against the Saracens. Speaking of which, did Captain
Lazzaro mention that we are on Crusade against the heaten to free the
Holy Land?”
This led to more conversation, questions, counterquestions,
clarifications, and counter-clarifications.
“In summary the,” said gage, “The consensus is that, an independent
republic from the 7th century until 1075, Amalfi extracted itself from
Byzantine vassalage and first elected a duke in 958. It rivalled Pisa
and Genoa in its domestic prosperity and maritime importance, before
the rise of Venice. In spite of some devastating setbacks it had a
population of some 70,000, reaching a peak about the turn of the
millennium, during the reign of Duke Manso (966–1004). Under his line
of dukes, Amalfi remained independent, except for a brief period of
Salernitan dependency under Guaimar IV.”
“Then stuff happened,” said Assebraker. “In 1073 it fell to the Norman
countship of Apulia, but was granted many rights. A prey to the
Normans who encamped in the south of Italy, it became one of their
principal posts. However, in 1131, it was reduced by the
aforementioned King Roger II of Sicily, who had been refused the keys
to its citadel. The Holy Roman Emperor Lothair, fighting in favor of
Pope Innocent II, against Roger, who sided with the Antipope
Anacletus, took him prisoner in 1133, assisted by forty-six Pisan
ships. The city was sacked by the Pisans, commercial rivals of the
Amalfitani; Lothair claimed as part of the booty a copy of the
Pandects of Justinian which was found there.”
“Fine,” said Gage. “That takes care of that. But, sir, does this
island look like any that you know of in the vicinity of Amalfi?”
“No,” said Lazzaro. “Something strange did happen, which might have
some cause of this mystery. There was a strange sound from overhead,
and a flattened spherical glow in the sky above us, which descended to
our ship.”
“Ellipsoid!” shouted my son, who goes by the nickname Fibonacci, said
Benedict Bonacci. He was in the ship right to our starboard. I took
it to be some strange curse.”
“More like Mathematics,” said Assebraker. Then she spoke to Gage.
“Sure sounds like a snargoid field, but how? We went notime near
1136. Maybe a selectron echo?”
“I have two questions, if I may,” said Captain Lazzaro. “Since we all
seem to be Christians, and both ships at this island have similar
flags, presuming that we are somehow on the same side against the
Mohammedans, whatever year this may be, wherever we are, what is that
thing up on the hills,” and he pointed at Dinny.
“Or demon!” said Manuel Psaila.
“Or dragon,” said Niccolo Pisani
“Or the Questing Beast,” said Benedict Bonacci.
“”D, none of the above,” said Assebraker. “It is called a dinosaur.
We brought it from very very long ago, to this island. We are on the
equator.”
One of the Crusaders agreed, telling Lazzaro that their location was
nowhere near Amalfi, according to their mariner’s compass.
“In medieval culture,” said Assebraker, “Amalfi was famous for its
flourishing schools of law and mathematics. Flavio Gioia, who is
traditionally considered the first to introduce the mariner’s compass
to Europe, is said to have been a native of Amalfi.”
“Ironic,” said Lazzaro. “How did you go back in time to get this
dinosaur, or to the year 1800?”
“In our age,” said Gage, “it has become, if not respectable, then
certainly fashionable in some quarters of the physics world, to
discuss travel through Time. Much of the blame can be laid at the door
of the astronomer Carl Sagan, who was writing a science fiction novel
in the summer of 1985, and asked the relativist Kip Thorne, of The
California Institute of Technology, to come up with some plausible
sounding scientific mumbo-jumbo to ‘explain’ the literary device of a
wormhole through space which could enable his characters to travel
between the stars. Encouraged to look at the equations of the General
Theory of Relativity in a new light, Thorne and his colleagues first
found that there is nothing in those equations to prevent the
existence of such wormholes, and then realised that any tunnel through
space is also, potentially, a tunnel through time. The laws of physics
do not forbid time travel.”
“The Crusaders interrupted. “I’ll get back to all that,” said Gage.
“This realization had two consequences. When Sagan’s novel, Contact,
appeared in 1986 it contained a passage that read like pure Science
Fiction hokum, but which was (although few readers realized it at the
time) a serious science factual description of a spacetime wormhole.
And as Thorne and his colleagues began to publish scientific papers
about time machines and time travel, the spreading ripples have
stimulated a cottage industry of similar studies.”
“Curiously,” said Assebraker, “this anecdote does not feature in Paul
Nahin’s otherwise remarkably comprehensive account of the fact and
fiction of time travel. Nahin was a professor of electrical
engineering at the University of New Hampshire, and the author of
several published science fiction stories, some dealing with the
puzzles and paradoxes of time travel. He tells us how he discovered,
and ‘devoured’ science fiction stories at the age of ten, and this
book is clearly a labor of love. The approach is scholarly, with 36
pages of footnotes, nine technical (but not overly mathematical)
appendices, and a no-holds-barred bibliography. Nahin’s style is
distinctly more sober than the material he deals with, but what he
lacks in sparkle he certainly makes up for in comprehensiveness.”
“Nahin’s approach,” said Gage, “in line with the author’s background,
is from the fiction and towards the fact. Old favorites, such as H. G.
Wells and Frank Tipler, make their expected appearances, as do less
familiar time travel fictions from the nineteenth century (comfortably
predating Albert Einstein’s theories) and more obscure scientists and
philosophers. And, of course, the familiar time travel paradoxes get a
thorough airing.”
“There are, though, two major weaknesses in Nahin’s treatment of the
science. The lesser is his discussion of black holes, which is weak
and sometimes a little confused. Much more importantly, though, he
fails to appreciate how the ‘many worlds’ interpretation of Quantum
Mechanics allows a time traveler to go back in time and alter the past
without producing problems such as the notorious grandfather paradox.
In the conventional version of the paradox, a traveler goes back and
murders his grandfather as a young boy, so the traveler could never
have been born, so grandfather never died -- and so on. But in the
many worlds version (championed by David Deutsch, of the University of
Oxford), the act of killing grandad creates a new reality, so that
when the traveler then goes forward in time he is no longer in his own
world, but in the universe ‘next door.’ This explained, for example,
some of the more subtle touches in the ‘Back to the Future’ trilogy of
movies, which Nahin comments on while missing their point entirely.
But although the book is flawed, it was still welcome. It does not
lend itself to being read from front to back like a novel, but is
ideal to dip in to and hop around in, like a time traveler dipping in
to history. It is also a first class reference book for anyone
interested in the Science Fiction side of time travel, and one that
was welcomed by the fans. But we come from a time where this is fact,
not fiction.
“We can discuss this all,” said Gage. “Won’t you join us for dinner?”
The Crusaders from 1136, the pirates from 1800, and the Time Travelers
from the middle of the 21st century were soon scarfing down fish,
coconut, radiation-preserved salad vegetables, and wine.

Oct 15

V6 pdf just uploaded to Library Resources Advanced Propulsion

1) low power warp drive with macro-quantum coherent fractal meta-materials

2) nonunitary entanglement signals with non-orthogonal Glauber macro-quantum coherent states at the transmitter entangled with single qubits at the receiver.

Oct 15

21. Time Travel for Beginners

“Here’s to the success of our mission,” said Gage, while a grad student handed out bottles of champagne.

“We got our dinosaur, and transported her to this desert island,” said Assebraker.

"Soldiers in Napoleon’s time,” said Scatty Vickerman,” which may be ancient history to you, but is right now, to us, learn to open champagne bottles by running the back of a saber up the side. When it hits the lip of the neck, the impact and internal pressure causes about two inches of the top of the bottle to pop off in a clean break and go flying, along with the cork. Behold!”

He did the saber/bottle maneuever.  The top of the bottle, still corked, flew in a parabola, landing neatly on a campfire.  Everybody laughed.

“About how your Time Machine works,” said Feconey Cuzzin.  “And please, no squarks and sneutrinos this time.”

“An Englishman named John Gribbin puts it this way,” said Gage. “Time travel for beginners: Exactly one hundred years ago, in 1895, H. G. Wells classic story The Time Machine was first published in book form. As befits the subject matter, that was the minus tenth anniversary of the first publication, in 1905, of Albert Einstein’s special theory of relativity. It was Einstein, as every schoolchild knows, who first described time as ‘the fourth dimension’ -- and every schoolchild is wrong. It was actually Wells who wrote, in The Time Machine, that ‘there is no difference between Time and any of the three dimensions of Space, except that our consciousness moves along it’.”

“Since the time of Wells and Einstein, there has been a continuing literary fascination with time travel, and especially with the paradoxes that seem to confront any genuine time traveller (something that Wells neglected to investigate). The classic example is the so- called ‘granny paradox’…”

“Yeah,” said Cuzzin.  “I’d suggest a pre-emptive strike.  Kill your grandchildren first.  Just joking.”

“… where a time traveller inadvertantly causes the death of his granny when she was a small girl,” continued Gage, “so that the traveller’s mother, and therefore the traveller himself, were never born. In which case, he did not go back in time to kill granny... and so on. A less gruesome example was entertainingly provided by the science fiction writer Robert Heinlein in his story ‘By his bootstraps’ … The protagonist in the story stumbles on a time travel device brought back to the present by a visitor from the far future. He steals it and sets up home in a deserted stretch of time, constantly worrying about being found by the old man he stole the time machine from -- until one day, many years later, he realises that he is now the old man, and carefully arranges for his younger self to ‘find’ and ‘steal’ the time machine. Such a narcissistic view of time travel is taken to its logical extreme in David Gerrold’s The Man Who Folded Himself (Random House, 1973).”

Assebraker noted Feconey Cuzzin’s tiny facial expression changes when Gage said “‘steal’ the time machine.”  She was even more sure that the pirates had a dastardly plan.

“Few of the writers of Dr. Who have had the imagination actually to use his time machine in this kind of way.” Said Gage, still quoting Gribbin.

“The TARDIS guy,” said Scatty Vickerman.

“That’s right,” said Professor Gage. “It would, after all, make for rather dull viewing if every time the Doctor had been confronted by a disaster he popped into the TARDIS, went back in time and warned his earlier self to steer clear of the looming trouble. But the implications were thoroughly explored for a wide audience in the Back to the Future trilogy, ramming home the point that time travel runs completely counter to common sense. Obviously, time travel must be impossible. Only, common sense is about as reliable a guide to science as the well known ‘fact’ that Einstein came up with the idea of time as the fourth dimension is to history. Sticking with Einstein’s own theories, it is hardly common sense that objects get both heavier and shorter the faster they move, or that moving clocks run slow. Yet all of these predictions of relativity theory have been born out many times in experiments, to an impressive number of decimal places. And when you look closely at the general theory of relativity, the best theory of time and space we have, it turns out that there is nothing in it to forbid time travel. The theory implies that time travel may be very difficult, to be sure; but not impossible.”

“There are degrees of possibility,” said Scatty Vickerman. “Physically possible, metaphysically possible.”

“Perhaps inevitably,” said Gage, “it was through science fiction that serious scientists finally convinced themselves that time travel could be made to work, by a sufficiently advanced civilization. It happened like this. Carl Sagan, a well known astronomer, had written a novel in which he used the device of travel through a black hole to allow his characters to travel from a point near the Earth to a point near the star Vega. Although he was aware that he was bending the accepted rules of physics, this was, after all, a novel. Nevertheless, as a scientist himself Sagan wanted the science in his story to be as accurate as possible, so he asked Kip Thorne, an established expert in gravitational theory, to check it out and advise on how it might be tweaked up. After looking closely at the non-commonsensical equations, Thorne realised that such a wormhole through spacetime actually could exist as a stable entity within the framework of Einstein’s theory.”

“Kip Thorne,” said Assebraker, “Caltech class of 1962.”

Gage nodded. “Sagan gratefully accepted Thorne’s modification to his fictional ‘star gate’, and the wormhole duly featured in the novel, Contact, published in 1985. But this was still only presented as a shortcut through space. Neither Sagan nor Thorne realised at first that what they had described would also work as a shortcut through time. Thorne seems never to have given any thought to the time travel possibilities opened up by wormholes until, in December 1986, he went with his student, Mike Morris, to a symposium in Chicago, where one of the other participants casually pointed out to Morris that a wormhole could also be used to travel backwards in time.”

“Thorne tells the story of what happened then in his own book Black Holes and Time Warps. The key point is that space and time are treated on an essentially equal footing by Einstein’s equations -- just as Wells anticipated. So a wormhole that takes a shortcut through spacetime can just as well link two different times as two different places. Indeed, any naturally occurring wormhole would most probably link two different times. As word spread, other physicists who were interested in the exotic implications of pushing Einstein’s equations to extremes were encouraged to go public with their own ideas once Thorne was seen to endorse the investigation of time travel, and the work led to the growth of a cottage industry of time travel investigations at the end of the 1980s and in to the 1990s.”

“Which led where?  Or When?” said the pirate captain.

“The bottom line of all this work is that while it is hard to see how any civilization could build a wormhole time machine from scratch,” said Gage, “it is much easier to envisage that a naturally occurring wormhole might be adapted to suit the time travelling needs of a sufficiently advanced civilization. ‘Sufficiently advanced’, that is, to be able to travel through space by conventional means, locate black holes, and manipulate them with as much ease as we manipulate the fabric of the Earth itself in projects like the Channel Tunnel.”

“Channel Tunnel?” said Feconey Cuzzin.

“Chunnel,” said Gage. “Even then, there’s one snag. It seems you can't use a time machine to go back in time to before the time machine was built. You can go anywhere in the future, and come back to where you started, but no further. Which rather neatly explains why no time travellers from our future have yet visited us -- because the time machine still hasn’t been invented!”

“I have the evidence of my senses,” said Scatty Vickerman. “So where does that leave the paradoxes, and common sense?”

“There is a way out of all the difficulties,” said Gage, “but you may not like it. It involves the other great theory of physics in the twentieth century, quantum mechanics, and another favourite idea from science fiction, parallel worlds. These are the ‘alternative histories’, in which, for example, the South won the American Civil War (as in Ward Moore’s classic novel Bring the Jubilee), which are envisaged as in some sense lying ‘alongside’ our version of reality.”

“The English Civil War?” said Feconey Cuzzin.

“No, the American one,” said Assebraker.  “Still more than half a century from right now, as we’re now in January the second, 1800 Anno Domini.”

“According to one interpretation of quantum theory (and it has to be said that there are other interpretations),” said Gage, “each of these parallel worlds is just as real as our own, and there is an alternative history for every possible outcome of every decision ever made. Alternative histories branch out from decision points, bifurcating endlessly like the branches and twigs of an infinite tree. Bizarre though it sounds, this idea is taken seriously by a handful of scientists (including David Deutsch, of the University of Oxford). And it certainly fixes all the time travel paradoxes.”

“As I just remarked, there are degrees of possibility,” said Scatty Vickerman. “Physically possible, metaphysically possible.”

“Yes,” said Gage. “On this picture, if you go back in time and prevent your own birth it doesn’t matter, because by that decision you create a new branch of reality, in which you were never born. When you go forward in time, you move up the new branch and find that you never did exist, in that reality; but since you were still born and built your time machine in the reality next door, there is no paradox.”

“Hard to believe,” said Feconey Cuzzin.

“Hard to believe? Certainly,” said Gage. “Counter to common sense? Of course. But the bottom line is that all of this bizarre behaviour is at the very least permitted by the laws of physics, and in some cases is required by those laws. I wonder what Wells would have made of it all.”

“Then what happened?” said Scatty Vickerman.

“Claims that time travel is impossible in principle have been shown to be in error by an Israeli researcher,” said Gage. “Amos Ori, of the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology, in Haifa, has found a flaw in the argument put forward recently by Stephen Hawking, of Cambridge University, claiming to rule out any possibility of time travel. “

“Hawking,” said Scatty Vickerman.  “You mentioned him before.  Kip Thorn’s friend?  The one whose muscles and nerves wasted away?”

“That’s right,” said Gage. “This is the latest twist in a story that began in the late 1980s, when Kip Thorne and colleagues at the California Institute of Technology suggested that although there might be considerable practical difficulties in constructing a time machine, there is nothing in the laws of physics as understood at present to forbid this. Other researchers tried to find flaws in the arguments of the CalTech team, and pointed in particular to problems in satisfying a requirement known as the "weak energy condition", which says that any real observer should always measure energy distributions that are positive. This rules out some kinds of theoretical time machines, which involve travelling through black holes held open by negative energy stuff.”

“Negative energy?  Hang on there,” said Scatty Vickerman.

“I’ll get back to that,” said Gage. “There are also problems with time machines that involve so-called singularities, points where space and time are crushed out of existence and the laws of physics break down. But Ori has found mathematical descriptions, within the framework of the general theory of relativity, of spacetimes which loop back upon themselves in time, but in which no singularity appears early enough to interfere with the time travel, and the weak energy condition is satisfied Physical Review Letters, vol 71 p 2517.”

“‘At present,’ he says, ‘one should not completely rule out the possibility of constructing a time machine from materials with positive energy densities.’”

“Is time an illusion?” asked Feconey Cuzzin.

“I’ll get back to that in a minute,” said Gage.. “Drink up, there’s another round of champagne when we take care of one little thing.”

Oct 15

Yes, I know I cited him back then. :-)
I think he was quoting someone else - not his calculation?

On Oct 15, 2011, at 4:15 AM, Carlos Castro wrote:

Dear Jack (Brian and Tony) :

Lubos Motl mentioned in his blog , at the very beginning,
the effects of the displacement of the GPS during the time of flight of the neutrinos.

The time correction is

2 v d / c^2

v = speed of satellite

d = 732 Kms = distance between the two labs

when you plug in the numbers you get 2 x 30 ns = 60 ns.

You could add Doppler effects, etc if you wish. It is the same idea.

Best wishes

Carlos

Oct 14

This may explain why Marc Millis just sent me a hysterical email? ;-)

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JACK SARFATTI

Think of the Three Musketeers "All for one, one for all."- the Fourth is the Psychological Arrow of Consciousness.

On Oct 14, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Jonathan Post wrote:

You have my permission to post the attached (46 KB Word file)text of
that chapter, on stardrive.org, with an explanation that it is an
excerpt from one of the 3 novels that I've written within the past 2
months  And, please, a hotlink to this summary of who I am in Science
Fiction.:
http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateSF/authorsP.html#JonPost


Previously, at Jack's request, I showed you a draft of a serious
Math/Physics paper of mine, "Preliminary Notes on Classical and
Quantum Dynamics of Fractal Particles in Conventional Fields, and
Point  Particles in Fractal Fields, Draft 10.0 of afternoon 27 April
2010, 46 pp., 10,850 words.

Now please allow me to give you a tutorial, part 1 of several, on Time
Travel, embedded cunningly in my unpublished Science Fiction novel
"Pirates & Dinosaurs"

20. TARDIS

“With all due respect, madam,” said pirate captain Scatty Vickerman,
“Your explanation of time travel was as garbled as that of your ivory
tower professor boss.”
“I’m the practical one on the team, as number two,” said Dr. Assebraker.
I won’t critique the Captain on board his own ship,” said Feconey
Cuzzin.  “But I get your drift.  But that metaphor of time flowing
like a river.  It does not, you know. Time and tide wait for no man.”
“Quantum time waits for no cosmos,” she said. "The intriguing notion
that time might run backwards when the Universe collapses ran into
difficulties about 40 years before my time. Raymond Laflamme, of the
Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, carried out a new
calculation which suggested that the Universe cannot start out
uniform, go through a cycle of expansion and collapse, and end up in a
uniform state. It could start out disordered, expand, and then
collapse back into disorder. But, since the COBE data show that our
Universe was born in a smooth and uniform state, this symmetric
possibility cannot be applied to the real Universe.”
“Universe expands and collapses?” said Scatty Vickerman.
“”I’ll get back to that,” said Dr. Assebraker. “Physicists have long
puzzled over the fact that two distinct ‘arrows of time’ both point in
the same direction. In the everyday world, things wear out -- cups
fall from tables and break, but broken cups never re- assemble
themselves spontaneously. In the expanding Universe at large, the
future is the direction of time in which galaxies are further apart.”
“Galaxies?”

Sarfatti Comment: In the hologram theory the alignment of these two arrows is trivial. Also the special initial condition of the universe is trivial as well. We have both a past and future boundary hologram screen (2D surrounding surfaces - us at center) as given by Tamara Davis - the pixelated computing past particle and the future event horizons respectively.


The Bekenstein-Hawking area-entropy saturates at least for our future deSitter horizon

 



We are the interior bulk 3D hologram image projections clashing both past and future in the here-now in sense of Yakir Aharonov's overlap of history and destiny state vectors. However we also need macro-quantum coherent signal nonlocality beyond orthodox quantum theory for the whole madcap idea to work. Crazy indeed. Crazy enough to be true?

N.D. Mermin wrote: "Why has the Aharonov group been confusing some of us in this way for two decades? There is a clue in the final section of the authors’ PHYSICS TODAY article, where they talk about the flow of time. There they suggest taking seriously the idea that time “propagates forward from the past boundary
condition and backward from the future boundary condition.” If you believe that, then conventional use of tense is indeed obsolete and distracting, and using the subjunctive mood in counterfactual statements becomes problematic."

Obviously Mermin does not take this way of thinking seriously. Pity. Modern cosmology shows our past particle horizon must have a boundary condition as well as our future event horizon. If they are fractal, then all scales from Planck to Hubble are involved. Indeed, the physics on both of these 2D hologram screens is Bohm's Implicate Order with us as hologram images in the bulk 3D interior's explicate order. Seth Lloyd also thinks these observer-dependent pixelated surface horizons are computers - presumably quantum and possibly conscious?

Aharonov wrote: "However, as Mermin certainly knows, analyzing sentences in isolation without the many clues found in context doesn’t do them justice. The initial setup is indeed elementary, and we put in all the details, so it is hard to see how it could be misinterpreted. The situation becomes far more interesting and surprising, though, when weak measurements are taken into account; to ignore them, as Michael Nauenberg and Art Hobson did, is to completely miss the point. We believe that no true understanding of quantum mechanics can be obtained without taking weak measurements seriously."

PHYSICS TODAY OCT, 2011 LETTERS

Now, obviously at the Alpha Point of Inflation our entropy is 1/4 Planck area. As the observable universe expands the interior bulk 3D volume increases. Hence the thermodynamic arrow and the cosmological arrow are trivially in the same sense. Similarly, our future event horizon is the Wheeler-Feynman total absorber. Hence all three arrows, cosmological, thermodynamic, electromagnetic are all marching to the same drummer in lock step. The repulsive dark energy field causes the area of our future horizon to saturate at ~ 10^123 BITS. - END OF SARFATTI COMMENTARY

“Big clusters of stars.  Like Magellan’s clouds.  Not clouds at all,
if you have a strong enough telescope to observe.”
“Whatever,” said Vickerman. “But the clumps of stars get farther
apart?  Big deal.  They are dispersing, like a fleet breaking apart
during a storm.”
“No, actually,” she said.  “The space between the galaxies is
stretching.  As if you had to navigate on a spherical Earth of
smoothly increasing diameter.”
“Nightmare,” said Feconey Cuzzin.  “The world is not growing or shrinking.”
“I know,” she said.  “And I know that you know.  But I’ve got to use
metaphors since, as Gage told you, you guys don’t have the
mathematics. With allude respect to your spherical geometry to plot
your courses. Anyway, many years ago, to me, many years hence, for
you, Thomas Gold suggested that these two arrows might be linked. That
would mean that if and when the expansion of the Universe were to
reverse, then the everyday arrow of time would also reverse, with
broken cups re-assembling themselves.”
“Broken cups don’t glue together well,” said Feconey Cuzzin.  “If I
shatter a wine glass with a pistol shot, you’d have a hard time
melting the glass back together.”
“Exactly,” said the blonde scientist/head of Security. “More recently
to my era, these ideas were extended into quantum physics. There, the
arrow of time was linked to the so-called ‘collapse of the wave
function’, which happens, for example, when an electron wave moving
through a TV tube collapses into a point particle on the screen of the
TV. Some researchers have tried to make the quantum description of
reality symmetric in time, by including both the original state of the
system (the TV tube before the electron passes through) and the final
state (the TV tube after the electron has passed through) in one
mathematical description.”
“TV?”
“Television, and it didn’t use vacuum tubes since before I was born.
No matter. Murray Gell-Mann and James Hartle then extended this idea
to the whole Universe. They argued that if, as many cosmologists
believe likely, the Universe was born in a Big Bang, will expand out
for a finite time and then recollapse into a Big Crunch, the
time-neutral quantum theory could describe time running backwards in
the contracting half of its life.”
“Big Bang?”
“Yes, you know how a bursting shell flings shapnel in all directions.
We know that the universe seems to have been born in a hot, bright,
explosion.”
“Fiat Lux,” said Scatty Vickerman. “Let there be light.  Genesis.”
“Oddly enough,” she said, “The Bible was right about that.
Unfortunately, Laflamme then showed that this would not work. He
proved that if there were only small inhomogeneities present in the
Big Bang, then they must get larger throughout the lifetime of the
Universe, in both the expanding and the contracting phases. ‘A low
entropy Universe at the Big Bang cannot come back to low entropy at
the Big Crunch’ He found time-asymmetric solutions to the equations --
but only if both Big Bang and Big Crunch are highly disordered, with
the Universe more ordered in the middle of its life.”
“One of your people,” said Feconey, I think it was the girl with the
German name, Sigmunda, used the phrase ‘midlife crisis.’”
“Alright,” said Assebraker, “My point is, observations of the cosmic
microwave background radiation, the light of creation stretched to a
part of the spectrum you can’t see with your naked eyes, shows that
the Universe emerged from the Big Bang in a very smooth and uniform
state. This rules out the time-symmetric solutions. The implication is
that even if the present expansion of the Universe does reverse, time
will not run backwards and broken cups will not start re- assembling
themselves.”
She noticed that his face twitched very slightly when she said the
word “naked.”  That confirmed her hunch that he was sexually attracted
to her.
“Is time travel possible?” said Scatty Vickerman.  “I don’t dispute
the evidence of my senses.  Your machines with technology centuries
beyond my world, the thunder lizard.  Yet the idea is not new in
fantasy literature. In Norwegian, for example, ‘Anno 7603’, by
theplaywright Johan Hermann Wessel, published about a decade ago,
1781, I think.”
“Right,” she said. “That was fiction about going from the present very
rapidly into the future.  This became a popular notion for
storytellers after your era. The first fiction depicting time travel
from Present to Past: ‘Missing One's Coach’, anonymous, Dublin
Literary Magazine, 1838, which sends the narrator back a millennium.
Future to Present: ‘An Uncommon Sort of Spectre’, Edward Page
Mitchell, 1879. Or should I count the Ghost of Christmas Future in
Charles Dickens’ ‘A Christmas Carol’ (1843)? Past to Present: ‘The
Hour Glass, Robert Barr, The Strand magazine, December 1898.”
And these used fictional Time Machines?” said Scatty Vickerman.
“No, that’s a more subtle idea,” she said.”7 years before H. G. Well’s
‘The Time Machine’, that Gage told you about on the island, there was
‘The Clock That Went Backwards’, by Edward Page Mitchell, The New York
Sun, 18 September 1881.  We call that genre ‘Science Fiction.’”
“Science Fiction,” said Feconey Cuzzin.  “I don’t have the spare time
to read such fairytales, even if I had access to the stuff you guys
always quote from, written in my future.”
“My main point is,” said Dr. Assebraker, it turned out not just to be
fiction. In one of the wildest developments in serious science for
decades, researchers from California to Moscow in the deacdes before I
was born, started investigating the possibility of time travel. They
were not, as yet, building TARDIS lookalikes in their laboratories;
but they have realised that according to the equations of Albert
Einstein’s general theory of relativity, the best theory of time and
space we had until the Grand Unification of the 2030s, there is
nothing in the laws of physics to prevent time travel. It may be
extremely difficult to put into practice, people began to believe, but
it is not impossible.”
“Einstein, you’ve mentioned,” said Feconey Cuzzin.  “TARDIS?”
“TV,” she said.  “Never mind that for now. It sounds like science
fiction, but it was taken so seriously by relativists that some of
them proposed that there must be a law of nature to prevent time
travel and thereby prevent paradoxes arising, even though nobody has
any idea how such a law would operate. The classic paradox, of course,
occurs when a person travels back in time and does something to
prevent their own birth
-- killing their granny as a baby, in the more gruesome example, or
simply making sure their parents never get together, as in ‘Back to
the Future.’ It goes against common sense, say the sceptics, so there
must be a law against it. This is more or less the same argument that
was used to prove that space travel is impossible.”
“The captain is still dubious,” said Feconey Cuzzin.  “But I accept
the notion that something more energetic than gunpowder could put men
on the Moon.  You said that your brother lives in Tycho City, and your
people told me that’s the name of a colony on the Moon, in a crater
named after Tycho Brahe.”
“Exactly,” she said. “So what do Einstein's equations tell us, if
pushed to the limit? As you might expect, the possibility of time
travel involves those most extreme objects, black holes.”
“Gage tried to tell us.  “There was an English rector who had the idea
first, in our past…”
“Yes,” she said. “A black hole is a volume of space where gravity is
so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape from it. This
astonishing idea was first announced in 1783 by John Michell, an
English country parson. Although he was one of the most brilliant and
original scientists of his time, Michell remains virtually unknown
today, in part because he did little to develop and promote his own
path-breaking ideas. “
“Michell was born in 1724 and studied at Cambridge University, where
he later taught Hebrew, Greek, mathematics, and geology. No portrait
of Michell exists, but he was described as ‘a little short man, of
black complexion, and fat.’ He became rector of Thornhill, near Leeds,
where he did most of his important work. Michell had numerous
scientific visitors at Leeds, including Benjamin Franklin, the chemist
Joseph Priestley (who discovered oxygen), and the physicist Henry
Cavendish (who discovered hydrogen).”
“The range of his scientific achievements is impressive. In 1750,
Michell showed that the magnetic force exerted by each pole of a
magnet decreases with the square of the distance. After the
catastrophic Lisbon earthquake of 1755, he wrote a book that helped
establish seismology as a science. Michell suggested that earthquakes
spread out as waves through the solid Earth and are related to the
offsets in geological strata now called faults. This work earned him
election in 1760 to the Royal Society, an organization of leading
scientists.”
“Michell conceived the experiment and built the apparatus to measure
the force of gravity between two objects of known mass. Cavendish, who
actually carried out the experiment after Michell’s death, gave him
full credit for the idea. The measurement yeilded a fundamental
physical quantity called the gravitational constant, which calibrates
the absolute strength of the force of gravity everywhere in the
universe. Using the measured value of the constant, Cavendish was able
for the first time to calculate the mass and the average density of
the Earth. “
“Michell was also the first to apply the new mathematics of statistics
to astronomy. By studying how the stars are distributed on the sky, he
showed that many more stars appear as pairs or groups than could be
accounted for by random alignments. He argued that these were real
systems of double or multiple stars bound together by their mutual
gravity. This was the first evidence for the existence of physical
associations of stars.”
“But perhaps Michell’s most far-sighted accomplishment was to imagine
the existence of black holes. The idea came to him in 1783 while
considering a hypothetical method to determine the mass of a star.
Michell accepted Newton’s theory that light consists of small material
particles. He reasoned that such particles, emerging from the surface
of a star, would have their speed reduced by the star’s gravitational
pull, just like projectiles fired upward from the Earth. By measuring
the reduction in the speed of the light from a given star, he thought
it might be possible to calculate the star’s mass.”
“Projectiles fired upward from the Earth,” said Feconey Cuzzin.
“That’s the first common sense thing you’ve said in a while,  Pray
continue.”
“Michell asked himself how large this effect could be,” said Dr.
Assebraker. “He knew that any projectile must move faster than a
certain critical speed to escape from a star’s gravitational embrace.
This ‘escape velocity’ depends only on the size and mass of the star.
What would happen if a star’s gravity were so strong that its escape
velocity exceeded the speed of light? Michell realized that the light
would have to fall back to the surface. He knew the approximate speed
of light, which Ole Roemer had found in the previous century. So it
was easy for Michell to calculate that the escape velocity would
exceed the speed of light on a star more than 500 times the size of
the Sun, assuming the same average density. Light cannot escape from
such a body, which would, therefore, be invisible to the outside
world. In my day we would call it a black hole.”
“Be that as it may,” she continued, glaching at the cannon size and
placement, “since Einstein's theory is a theory of space and time, it
should be no surprise that black holes offer, in principle, a way to
travel through space, as well as through time. A simple black hole
won't do, though. If such a black hole formed out of a lump of
non-rotating material, it would simply sit in space, swallowing up
anything that came near it. At the heart of such a black hole there is
a point known as a singularity, where space and time cease to exist,
and matter is crushed to infinite density. Roger Penrose, later of
Oxford University, proved that anything which falls into such a black
hole must be drawn into the singularity by its gravitational pull, and
also crushed out of existence.”
“But, also in the 1960s, the New Zealand mathematician Roy Kerr found
that things are different if the black hole is rotating. A singularity
still forms, but in the form of a ring. In principle, it would be
possible to dive into such a black hole and through the ring, to
emerge in another place and another time. This ‘Kerr solution’ was the
first mathematical example of a time machine, but at the time nobody
took it seriously. At the time, hardly anybody took the idea of black
holes seriously, and interest in the Kerr solution only really
developed in the 1970s, after astronmers discovered what seem to be
real black holes, both in our own Milky Way Galaxy and in the hearts
of other galaxies.”
“This led to a rash of popular publications claiming, to the annoyance
of many relativists, that time travel might be possible. In the 1980s,
though, Kip Thorne, of CalTech, one of the world's leading experts in
the general theory of relativity, and his colleagues set out to prove
once and for all that such nonsense wasn't really allowed by
Einstein’s equations. They studied the situation from all sides, but
were forced to the unwelcome conclusion that there really was nothing
in the equations to prevent time travel, provided (and it is a big
proviso) you have the technology to manipulate black holes. As well as
the Kerr solution, there are other kinds of black hole time machine
allowed, including setups graphically described as ‘wormholes’, in
which a black hole at one place and time is connected to a black hole
in another place and time (or the same place at a different time)
through a ‘throat.’ Thorne described some of these possibilities in a
book, Black Holes and Time Warps, which was packed with information
but far from being an easy read. Michio Kaku, a professor of physics
in New York, came up with a more accessible variation on the theme
with his book Hyperspace, which, unlike Thorne’s book, at least
includes some discussion of the contribution of researchers such as
American Dean of Science Fiction Robert Anson Heinlein to the study of
time travel. The Big Bang, string theory, black holes and baby
universes all get a mention here; but it is the chapter on how to
build a time machine that makes the most fascinating reading.”
“You wouldn’t happen to have a copy?” said Feconey Cuzzin.
“I’ll have my people print you one,” she said.  “Give it to you next
time we dine, on the island. ‘Most scientists, who have not seriously
studied Einstein’s equations,’ said Kaku, ‘dismiss time travel as
poppycock.’ And he then goes on to spell out why the few scientists
who have seriously studied Einstein’s equations were less dismissive.
My favourite page is the one filled by a diagram which shows the
strange family tree of an individual who manages to be both his/her
own father and his/her own mother, based on the Heinlein story ‘All
you zombies --.’ And Kaku’s description of a time machine is something
fans of Dr. Who and H.G. Wells would be happy with:
‘[It] consists of two chambers, each containing two parallel metal
plates. The intense electric fields created between each pair of
plates (larger than anything possible with today’s technology) rips
the fabric of space-time, creating a hole in space that links the two
chambers.’
‘Taking advantage of Einstein's special theory of relativity, which
says that time runs slow for a moving object, one of the chambers is
then taken on a long, fast journey and brought back: Time would pass
at different rates at the two ends of the wormhole, [and] anyone
falling into one end of the wormhole would be instantly hurled into
the past or the future [as they emerge from the other end].’”
“Dr. Who?” said Feconey Cuzzin.
“The one with the TARDIS,” she said. “And all this, it is worth
spelling out, has been published by serious scientists in respectable
journals such as Physical Review Letters (you don't believe us? check
out volume 61, page 1446). Although, as you may have noticed, the
technology required is awesome, involving taking what amounts to a
black hole on a trip through space at a sizeable fraction of the speed
of light. We never said it was going to be easy! So how do you get
around the paradoxes? The scientists have an answer to that, too. It's
obvious, when you think about it; all you have to do is add in a
judicious contribution from quantum theory to the time travelling
allowed by relativity theory. As long as you are an expert in both
theories, you can find a way to avoid the paradoxes.”
“It works like this. According to one interpretation of quantum
physics (there are several interpretations, and nobody knows which
one, if any, is ‘right’), every time a quantum object, such as an
electron, is faced with a choice, the world divides to allow it to
take every possibility on offer. In the simplest example, the electron
may be faced with a wall containing two holes, so that it must go
through one hole or the other. The Universe splits so that in one
version of reality -- one set of relative dimensions -- it goes
through the hole on the left, while in the other it goes through the
hole on the right.”
“Quantum Weirdness,” she said. I’ll get back to that. Pushed to its
limits, this interpretation says that the Universe is split into
infinitely many copies of itself, variations on a basic theme, in
which all possible outcomes of all possible ‘experiments’ must happen
somewhere in the ‘multiverse.’ So there is, for example, a Universe in
which the Labour Party has been in power for 115 years, and is now
under threat from a resurgent Tory Party.”
“How does this resolve the paradoxes? Like this. Suppose someone did
go back in time to murder their granny when she was a little girl. On
this multiverse picture, they have slid back to a bifurcation point in
history. After killing granny, they move forward in time, but up a
different branch of the multiverse. In this branch of reality, they
were never born; but there is no paradox, because in the universe next
door granny is alive and well, so the murderer is born, and goes back
in time to commit the foul deed!”
“Once again, it sounds like science fiction, and once again science
fiction writers have indeed been here before. But this idea of
parallel universes and alternative histories as a solution to the time
travel paradoxes began being taken seriously by some (admittedly, not
many) researchers, including David Deutsch, in Oxford. Their research
deals with both time, and relative dimensions in space. You could make
a nice acronym for that -- TARDIS, perhaps?”

[end chapter; use the following in an another chapter.  Too much talk.
I like to alternate action scenes with discussion scenes]
{break here 9:50 a.m., Friday 14 Oct 2011}

In Physics Today, October, 2011

N.D. Mermin wrote: "Why has the Aharonov group been confusing some of us in this way for two decades? There is a clue in the final section of the authors’ PHYSICS TODAY article, where they talk about the flow of time. There they suggest taking seriously the idea that time “propagates forward from the past boundary condition and backward from the future boundary condition.” If you believe that, then conventional use of tense is indeed obsolete and distracting, and using the subjunctive mood in counterfactual statements becomes problematic."

Obviously Mermin does not take this way of thinking seriously. Pity. Modern cosmology shows our past particle horizon must have a boundary condition as well as our future event horizon. If they are fractal, then all scales from Planck to Hubble are involved. Indeed, the physics on both of these 2D hologram screens is Bohm's Implicate Order with us as hologram images in the bulk 3D interior's explicate order. Seth Lloyd also thinks these observer-dependent pixelated surface horizons are computers - presumably quantum and possibly conscious?


from Tamara Davis's Ph.D. Fig 1.1 modified

Aharonov wrote: "However, as Mermin certainly knows, analyzing sentences in isolation without the many clues found in context doesn’t do them justice. The initial setup is indeed elementary, and we put in all the details, so it is hard to see how it could be misinterpreted. The situation becomes far more interesting and surprising, though, when weak measurements are taken into account; to ignore them, as Michael Nauenberg and Art Hobson did, is to completely miss the point. We believe that no true understanding of quantum mechanics can be obtained without taking weak measurements seriously."

BTW I just noticed Stewart Brand was there, though I did not encounter him. Yes indeed, the New Age "feel-good" leftist "asteroid hugger" social agenda was "Woodstock" very apt comparison as one keynote speaker put it. ;-)

Jim
I don't know what you think you looked at. Again if you really want to know the relevant vetted literature I am sure that Puthoff, Maccabee, Brandenburg, Vallee and Friedman, for a start can guide you. So can Eric Davis who worked for Robert Bigelow at NIDS on UFOs and who currently works for Puthoff. Davis's reaction at Orlando 100 year Star Ship was obviously political in some way - he did not want to discuss what he really knows.

Your logic below is most peculiar Jim. It seems to my way of thinking that if we see warp-wormhole technology in the skies from an advanced intelligence intruder that can knock our air force out of the sky and disable our nuclear missiles that is the most important fact we can have! It tells us that Hawking's chronology protection conjecture and other no-can-do arguments are wrong. Furthermore, I think the paper I gave at Orlando shows how they work. Of course, I can be wrong, but I am not even wrong. In any case, it's our best shot in my opinion. I am again attaching the final draft of my Orlando paper.

You want disclosure? - the attached pdf is my best shot at that to date.

BTW also see the Rockefeller report put together by Don Berliner and my friend Bootsie Galbraith for an extensive list of vetted references by I think Hal Puthoff and Jacques Vallee if I am not mistaken. UFO Briefing Document: The Best Available Evidence (Google eBook)

Don Berliner, Marie Galbraith, Antonio Huneeus
Random House Digital, Inc., 2000 - Body, Mind & Spirit - 256 pages
From Government secret files...The report that shocked the Congress!

The shattering report that stunned the world's top leaders now available to the public!

On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:14 AM, jfwoodward@juno.com wrote:

Well, I looked at that "literature" many years ago.  While some of it is entertaining, only one case was attended by information that might have some physics relevance -- the so-called RB-47 case (where passive monitoring electronics was present and recorded a strong 3 GHz signal).  I see nothing in your conjecture that would relate to the signal detected in that case.  The rest of the reports -- even if you take them as legitimate -- at most can be taken as evidence that someone has figured out how to do warp/wormhole tech.  So what?  That's not the question.  


Of course it is the question in my way of thinking.

The question is: can we figure out how to do the tech?

Of course we can. I think I have, though I may be wrong - that remains to be seen.

You don't need to talk about UFOs to answer that question.

Of course, we do. It's the 800 lb gorilla in the room to my way of thinking and to Brandenburg's and others.

They are a needless distraction that debase a serious discussion of how to do the tech.

Dead wrong in my way of thinking. Totally antithetical to my judgement here.

:-)

From: JACK SARFATTI Subject: ufos
Date: October 11, 2011 7:55:21 AM PDT
To: "jfwoodward@juno.com" You are painfully ignorant of the facts about UFOS. I suggest you start with the classic reports from the 1950's by Paul Hill and Major Ruppelt (online). Hal Puthoff can guide you. Hal has had the highest security clearances and is convinced they are real. They have warp-wormhole technology in my opinion and we are like lilliputians trying to reinvent Gulliver's wheel. In any case I cannot be constrained in what I write. I cannot have one hand tied behind my back. :-) JACK SARFATTI
adastra1@me.com

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Jack Sarfatti "A century can fundamentally change our understanding of our universe and reality," proclaims the DARPA website, "Man’s desire to explore space and achieve the seemingly impossible is at the center of the 100 Year Starship Study Symposium. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and NASA Ames Research Center (serving as execution agent), are working together to convene thought leaders dealing with the practical and fantastic issues man needs to address to achieve interstellar flight one hundred years from now."
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Jack Sarfatti The transmitter can send the message retrocausally after the message is received. The signal nonlocality is metric independent not restricted by the causal light cone. The choice of where and when to transmit and where and when to receive is completely contingent on the free will of Alice and Bob for the same entangled pair. For example, Alice may be on a Starship many light years from Bob who stays on Earth. The coherent state is stored on the Starship whilst the specific qubit it is entangled with is stored in Bob’s receiver. Bob can receive future messages from Alice. Indeed, both of them can communicate with each other, each in their own real time, no matter what their global space-time separation is – if this general quantum theory with signal nonlocality proves correct.