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Hawking's absolute blackhole horizon is teleological very much like Dirac's radiation reaction one needs back from the future influence. This also reminds us of John Cramer's transaction, Aharonov's destiny wave. Wheeler Feynman and all that. Aristotle's final cause. The Absolute horizon feels the future.
See Kip Thorne's Ch 12 black holes and time warps

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  • Jack Sarfatti Stargate
    Making Star Trek Real
    Jack Sarfatti
    Internet Science Education Project
    Foreword

    Sing Heav'nly Muse, that on the secret topOf Oreb, or of Sinai, didst inspireThat Shepherd, who first taught the chosen Seed,In the Beginning how the Heav'ns and EarthRose out of Chaos: Or if Sion Hill [ 10 ]Delight thee more, and Siloa's Brook that flow'dFast by the Oracle of God; I thenceInvoke thy aid to my adventrous Song,That with no middle flight intends to soarAbove th' Aonian Mount, while it pursues [ 15 ]Things unattempted yet in Prose or Rhime.And chiefly Thou O Spirit, that dost preferBefore all Temples th' upright heart and pure,Instruct me, for Thou know'st; Thou from the firstWast present, and with mighty wings outspread [ 20 ]Dove-like satst brooding on the vast AbyssAnd mad'st it pregnant: What in me is darkIllumin, what is low raise and support;That to the highth of this great ArgumentI may assert Eternal Providence, [ 25 ]And justifie the wayes of God to men. John Milton, Paradise Lost

    In another moment Alice was through the glass, and had jumped lightly down into the Looking-glass room. Lewis Carroll

    All our space-time verifications invariably amount to a determination of space-time coincidences. If, for example, events consisted merely in the motion of material points, then ultimately nothing would be observable but the meeting of two or more of these points. Moreover, the results of our measuring are nothing but verifications of such meetings of the material points of our measuring instruments with other material points, coincidences between the hands of a clock and points on the clock dial, and observed point-events happening at the same place at the same time. The introduction of a system of reference serves no other purpose than to facilitate the description of the totality of such coincidences. Albert Einstein, “Grundlage der allgemeinen Relativitätstheorie”, Annalen der Physik, 49 (1916) 

    “That with no middle flight intends to soar …”
    “A wormhole is a hypothetical shortcut for travel between distant points in the universe. The wormhole has two entrances called ‘mouths,’ one (for example) near Earth, and the other (for example) in orbit around Vega, 26 light years away. The mouths are connected to each other by a tunnel through hyperspace (the wormhole) that might be only a kilometer long. If we enter the near-Earth mouth, we find ourselves in the tunnel. By traveling just one kilometer down the tunnel we reach the other mouth and emerge near Vega, 26 light-years away as measured in the external universe.” Kip Thorne 

    Prior to the development of digital computers in the 20th century, the only systems on Earth, which incorporated bulk, reliable digital storage, were living organisms. DNA, neural networks and brains, and the adaptive immune system all have the ability to robustly store large quantities of information and retrieve it when needed. But storage is tough—each of these biological systems is enormously more complicated than any existing computer, and it took biology billions of years to evolve its second and third kinds of digital storage. The intertwined complexity of DNA and protein synthesis in even the simplest living cells is such that how it came to be remains one of the central mysteries of biological science, a conundrum so profound that one of the two discoverers of the structure of DNA, Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick, believes the first living cells were placed on Earth by intelligent aliens from elsewhere in the Galaxy. (But then how did the aliens get started?) John Walker, Computation, Memory, Nature, and Life
    Is digital storage the secret of life? 

    My new paradigm, my “great Argument” in this book, “things unattempted yet in” theoretical physics “And justifie the wayes of God to men,” is that Hawking’s chronology protection conjecture is wrong and that Crick’s “aliens” are actually future humans who have mastered time travel to the past through stargates and have found at least one that was created in the very early universe, which allows them to get to Earth and create us and obviously themselves in a physical globally self-consistent Godelian strange loop in time. In other words the time travel bootstrap paradox is not a paradox at all, but is the way reality works including our own consciousness.

    "Penrose and Israel … could not conceive of jettisoning the [local frame-dependent] apparent horizon as the definition of a black hole’s surface. They especially could not conceive of jettisoning it in favor of [Hawking’s local-frame independent] absolute horizon. Why? Because the absolute horizon – paradoxically, it might seem – violates our cherished notion that an effect should not precede its cause. When matter falls into a black hole, the absolute horizon starts to grow (“effect”) before the matter reaches it (“cause”). The horizon grows in anticipation that the matter will soon be swallowed and will increase the hole’s gravitational pull … The very definition of the absolute horizon depends on what will happen in the future: on whether or not signals will ultimately escape to the distant universe. … it is a teleological definition … that relies on “final causes”… Kip Thorne P. 417 Chapt 12, Black Holes and Time Warps.

    I suspect that Roger Penrose became more open to the teleological final cause paradigm explanation of Ben Libet’s brain presponse experiments because he realized his blunder in his initial reluctance to grok Hawking’s discovery, which itself, in a spooky Godelian strange loop precognitive way came to Hawking suddenly in November of 1970 as a kind of Biblical Revelations from The Voice that crieth in the wilderness of our universal precognitive remote viewing subconscious collective cosmic mind that comes to some rather more than others. Indeed, Hawking’s physical disability may make him more open to contact with advanced higher intelligences like a Tibetan Tulku in deep meditation? Thus, Kip writes earlier in his Chapter 12:
    "The Idea hit Stephen Hawking one evening in November 1970, as he was preparing for bed. It hit with such force that he was left almost gasping for air. Never before or since has an idea come to him so quickly. … The Idea excited him. He was ecstatic … He couldn’t sleep. His mind kept roaming over the Idea’s ramifications, its connections to other things." Pp.412-13

    Das aus sich rollende
    Art thou a new strength and a new authority? 
    A first motion? 
    A self-rolling wheel? 
    Canst thou also compel stars to revolve around thee?
    Friedrich Nietzsche Thus Spake Zarathustra


On Dec 29, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Paul Murad <ufoguypaul@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
This is a very pessimistic perspective.
 
Man by itself is incapable of developing morality and ethics except with God. You mention
death, well if there is a hell, the believe that they exist without god or absence that we can
assume means love for that matter may indeed make hell a very empty disparate place.
 
The crutch that exists may not be fully a religious point but rather a historical view that is part
of mankind's culture. These things happened, are real and they occurred. Regarding your view about
different religious causing problems, I would have to agree but I do not see any contradiction
in believing in God and the possibility of reincarnation...
 
To mention Jung-Pauli is child-play... Scientists are only rarely right and on metaphysical subjects,
we do not have the physical evidence to judge truth or falsehood with a clearly defined scientific
investigation.
 
Paul
Paul M,
1) Rupert Sheldrake's morphogenetic field data is direct evidence for the Jung-Pauli information field.

2) The Central Intelligence Agency Stanford Research Institute Remote Viewing data is evidence for the Jung-Pauli information field.

3) Reincarnation data is evidence for the Jung-Pauli information field.

on all of the above see in particular Russell Targ's several new books as well as Hal Puthoff's on-line report.

4) There is a solid theoretical physics basis for it

a) David Bohm's Implicate Order = world hologram screen software on both our past and future cosmic horizons - the Alpha Point past particle horizon and the Omega Point future event horizon shown in my modification of Tamara Davis's PhD fig 1.1c



For details see http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~mdt26/pilot_waves.html (note also Lecture 8)

The work of MIT physicist Seth Lloyd shows that these two cosmological horizons are computers.

I think they are conscious computers i.e. Hawking's Mind of God - literally

See also the papers of Antony Valentini on signal nonlocality

e.g.
Subquantum Information and Computation
Antony Valentini
(Submitted on 11 Mar 2002 (v1), last revised 12 Apr 2002 (this version, v2))
It is argued that immense physical resources - for nonlocal communication, espionage, and exponentially-fast computation - are hidden from us by quantum noise, and that this noise is not fundamental but merely a property of an equilibrium state in which the universe happens to be at the present time. It is suggested that 'non-quantum' or nonequilibrium matter might exist today in the form of relic particles from the early universe. We describe how such matter could be detected and put to practical use. Nonequilibrium matter could be used to send instantaneous signals, to violate the uncertainty principle, to distinguish non-orthogonal quantum states without disturbing them, to eavesdrop on quantum key distribution, and to outpace quantum computation (solving NP-complete problems in polynomial time).
Comments:    10 pages, Latex, no figures. To appear in 'Proceedings of the Second Winter Institute on Foundations of Quantum Theory and Quantum Optics: Quantum Information Processing', ed. R. Ghosh (Indian Academy of Science, Bangalore, 2002). Second version: shortened at editor's request; extra material on outpacing quantum computation (solving NP-complete problems in polynomial time)
Subjects:    Quantum Physics (quant-ph)
Journal reference:    Pramana - J. Phys. 59 (2002) 269-277
DOI:    10.1007/s12043-002-0117-1
Report number:    Imperial/TP/1-02/15
Cite as:    arXiv:quant-ph/0203049
     (or arXiv:quant-ph/0203049v2 for this version)

Also see the 46 minute raw video of me and Dan Smith discussing this. I look like a frumpy shlepper in it, but the content is good.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=A56hT_51v7I 

  • Jack Sarfatti On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Dan Smith <danthroopsmith@gmail.com> wrote:

    (cont......)
    What then........?
    Then we are homeward bound, our errand into the 'wilderness' having been completed.
    Only if you think I.J. Good's VALIS GOD(D) the supercomputer at the END TIME



    is not malicious and gives a $hit about you.

    That GOD(D) is not malicious may be Einstein's REALLY greatest blunder. ;-)

    Some of us are surely not ready, just yet, to head back home, to Eternity. All ye, all ye, in-free....?
    Hey, that's fine with me! We have all the time in the world. Just as long as we want to be down on the farm is fine, but once we've seen Paris/eternity, we me may start feeling a bit homesick.
    There is a crucial consideration when it comes to the prolongation of Creation.......
    Do keep in mind that, from the PoV of God, Creation is eternal. Only from the perspective of us mortals does it appear that Creation may end. Going home means that we will be returning to the PoV of God, wherein Creation is truly Eternal.
    Are we still on the same page, Jack?
    Dan
    You are coming from an emotional position. I feel no emotions on any of this. Just the facts of the physics interest me.



    Two years later, in 2005, San Francisco physicist Dr. Jack Sarfatti recorded a video interview of self-proclaimed CIA eschatologist Dan T. Smith.

    And two years prior to an exclusive September 2007 expose’ by Sidney Blumenthal for Salon, Smith revealed that CIA had been pressured to rewrite a National Intelligence Estimate claiming there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

    The alleged source of Smith’s information?

    Dr. Ronald (Ron) Pandolfi of the CIA.

    In the video, Smith explains that his friend, Ron Pandolfi, “is the guy who is, now, high up in intelligence.”

    Smith would later blog that Pandolfi — who had been outed as a CIA employee in a series of articles that appeared in the New York Times — claimed to have been put in charge of MASINT, a technical form of intelligence collection related to detection of weapons of mass destruction.

    Valerie Plame, the former covert CIA operative who had been outed by the White House, and her husband Joe Wilson, discuss the conflicts at CIA during the days and weeks prior to the US led invasion of Iraq, in a special audio commentary for the new DVD release of “Fair Game,” the film adaptation of their story.

    Plame’s version of events are consistent with Smith’s allegations about his friend Pandolfi.

    During the video, Smith starts to explain why Pandolfi moved from CIA to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

    Sarfatti then pipes in:

    “Pandolfi apparently is the guy who wrote the National Intelligence Estimate about the invasion of Iraq, and Pandolfi said there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”

    Smith explains:

    “It was his report that he was in charge of, and thirty days before it happened, [they said] this was not acceptable, and Ron recused himself from the National Intelligence Office and went over to MASINT, which he’s now in charge of, a couple years later. So then they [CIA] came out with a second report that said yeah, there are weapons.”

    Sarfatti chimes in, “Which is false.”

    “As it turned out.”

    Smith and Sarfatti had — unwittingly it seems — scoopedSidney Blumenthal’s exclusive story on the Bush Iraq National Intelligence Estimate.


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    On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Dan Smith <danthroopsmith@gmail.com> wrote:

    Jack,
    It sounds to me as though we have a fair basis for a renewed dialog......
    What I believe I can bring to this table is a bit more emphasis on the PoV of VALIS/God, which, TBMK, is not something that you and your physics 'fan-base' normally feel comfortable in emphasizing, with the possible exception of David.
    Technically our future event horizon is the past light cone of our world line extended to our Penrose conformal END TIME.
    It is a computer according to MIT's Seth Lloyd. The future dominates the past because the complexity - channel capacity of the hologram horizon computer is greatest in the future i.e. intelligence is greater.

    We have free will because the GOD(D) computer while omni-present is not OMNI-POTENT! Hence EVIL in the world.


    For instance, you make a distinction between morality and physics. Yes, of course, superficially there is a difference. But you also speak of Leibniz' physical action principle..... Surely, you are aware that the notion of the best possible world was produced by that same mind, and it seems entirely possible that the concepts of maximal-action and best-possible may be linked, in some deeper structural/mathematical sense. We may simply be adding another dimension to our physical structure.
    Now, perhaps the greatest remaining distinction between Jackiantiy and Danianity is simply the technicality of the optimal placement of VALIS wrt the future horizon. But we may already be on the same page, here, as well.....
    This placement of the future horizon should strongly depend on the optimal length for human history, which, in turn, should depend on the optimal trajectory for material progress. Given that progress was never meant to be perpetual, then the (apparent) end of (material) progress may well signal the approach of our future horizon/VALIS.

    No, your physics is not even wrong. Read Tamara Davis's PhD online - get your basic cosmology correct first.

    http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/download/tamarad/

    Then what, we may well ask......?
    (cont........)

    On Aug 5, 2012, at 8:56 PM, JACK SARFATTI <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote:


    On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Dan Smith <danthroopsmith@gmail.com> wrote:

    Jack,
    (cont. from previous post...)
    First of all, please consider the possibility the progress may not be perpetual.

    No argument for me on that. Bush Jr's parting words leaving White House:

    "Apre moi, Le Deluge." ;-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Baker - what do you make of Russ Baker's research into the Bush Family? I just saw Gore Vidal (2009) talk about it. Your sister was part of their circle. Gore of course is not unbiased, but what about Russ Baker?

    This issue relates particularly to the ETH v. the UTH, i.e. the extra- v. ultra-terrestrial hypotheses.
    I am not clear if there is any real distinction between E and U. Superior E technology looks like U Magick to the primitive human mind. Entanglement signaling as shown in my toy model equation obliterates the distinction between E and U in my opinion.

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    Most folks that you and I know are open to the possibility we have been visited by unearthly beings of one sort or another. If progress is perpetual, then it stands to reason that the ETH is true wrt these visitors. I believe that this represents your view of the situation.
    Not quite.

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    In above Tamara Davis's Fig 1.1 her Ph.D.

    The apex of the Pyramid is infinite metric time - finite conformal Penrose END TIME for us idealized as Immortal Gods (central vertical world line) is the origin of the past light cone of our observer-dependent OMEGA POINT (not same as Tipler's) and it is our future cosmological de Sitter dark energy event horizon. It is a CONSCIOUS GOD(D) HOLOGRAM 2D SCREEN NULL GEODESIC COMPUTER projecting us RETRO-CAUSALLY as 3D dynamic hologram images in literally a VIRTUAL UNIVERSE SUPER-COMPUTER SIMULATION.

    The number of qubits is A/4Lp^2 according to Hawking's Mind of God.

    The dark energy density accelerating space's expansion is

    hc/ALp^2 where we are and from Type 1a supernovae in our past light cone.

    the dark energy density on the future event horizon is hc/Lp^4 it gets redshifted (advanced Cramer quantum waves) back from the future.
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  • Jack Sarfatti On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Dan Smith <danthroopsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
    DS What then........? Then we are homeward bound, our errand into the 'wilderness' having been completed. JS Only if you think I.J. Good's VALIS GOD(D) the supercomputer at the END TIME is not malicious and gives a $hit about you. That GOD(D) is not malicious may be Einstein's REALLY greatest blunder. ;-)
    DS Some of us are surely not ready, just yet, to head back home, to Eternity. All ye, all ye, in-free....? Hey, that's fine with me! We have all the time in the world. Just as long as we want to be down on the farm is fine, but once we've seen Paris/eternity, we me may start feeling a bit homesick. There is a crucial consideration when it comes to the prolongation of Creation. Do keep in mind that, from the PoV of God, Creation is eternal. Only from the perspective of us mortals does it appear that Creation may end. Going home means that we will be returning to the PoV of God, wherein Creation is truly Eternal. Are we still on the same page, Jack? Dan JS You are coming from an emotional position. I feel no emotions on any of this. Just the facts of the physics interest me.
  • Jack Sarfatti Gary Bekkum wrote: Two years later, in 2005, San Francisco physicist Dr. Jack Sarfatti recorded a video interview of self-proclaimed CIA eschatologist Dan T. Smith.
    And two years prior to an exclusive September 2007 expose’ by Sidney Blumenthal for Salon, Smith revealed that CIA had been pressured to rewrite a National Intelligence Estimate claiming there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
    The alleged source of Smith’s information?
    Dr. Ronald (Ron) Pandolfi of the CIA.
    In the video, Smith explains that his friend, Ron Pandolfi, “is the guy who is, now, high up in intelligence.”
    Smith would later blog that Pandolfi — who had been outed as a CIA employee in a series of articles that appeared in the New York Times — claimed to have been put in charge of MASINT, a technical form of intelligence collection related to detection of weapons of mass destruction.
    Valerie Plame, the former covert CIA operative who had been outed by the White House, and her husband Joe Wilson, discuss the conflicts at CIA during the days and weeks prior to the US led invasion of Iraq, in a special audio commentary for the new DVD release of “Fair Game,” the film adaptation of their story.
    Plame’s version of events are consistent with Smith’s allegations about his friend Pandolfi.
    During the video, Smith starts to explain why Pandolfi moved from CIA to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
    Sarfatti then pipes in:
    “Pandolfi apparently is the guy who wrote the National Intelligence Estimate about the invasion of Iraq, and Pandolfi said there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”
    Smith explains:
    “It was his report that he was in charge of, and thirty days before it happened, [they said] this was not acceptable, and Ron recused himself from the National Intelligence Office and went over to MASINT, which he’s now in charge of, a couple years later. So then they [CIA] came out with a second report that said yeah, there are weapons.”
    Sarfatti chimes in, “Which is false.”
    “As it turned out.”
    Smith and Sarfatti had — unwittingly it seems — scoopedSidney Blumenthal’s exclusive story on the Bush Iraq National Intelligence Estimate.
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  • Jack Sarfatti On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Dan Smith <danthroopsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jack, It sounds to me as though we have a fair basis for a renewed dialog...... What I believe I can bring to this table is a bit more emphasis on the PoV of VALIS/God, which, TBMK, is not something that you and your physics 'fan-base' normally feel comfortable in emphasizing, with the possible exception of David. Technically our future event horizon is the past light cone of our world line extended to our Penrose conformal END TIME.
    It is a computer according to MIT's Seth Lloyd. The future dominates the past because the complexity - channel capacity of the hologram horizon computer is greatest in the future i.e. intelligence is greater.
    We have free will because the GOD(D) computer while omni-present is not OMNI-POTENT! Hence EVIL in the world.
    For instance, you make a distinction between morality and physics. Yes, of course, superficially there is a difference. But you also speak of Leibniz' physical action principle..... Surely, you are aware that the notion of the best possible world was produced by that same mind, and it seems entirely possible that the concepts of maximal-action and best-possible may be linked, in some deeper structural/mathematical sense. We may simply be adding another dimension to our physical structure. Now, perhaps the greatest remaining distinction between Jackiantiy and Danianity is simply the technicality of the optimal placement of VALIS wrt the future horizon. But we may already be on the same page, here, as well..... This placement of the future horizon should strongly depend on the optimal length for human history, which, in turn, should depend on the optimal trajectory for material progress. Given that progress was never meant to be perpetual, then the (apparent) end of (material) progress may well signal the approach of our future horizon/VALIS.
    No, your physics is not even wrong. Read Tamara Davis's PhD online - get your basic cosmology correct first.
    http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/download/tamarad/
    www.physics.uq.edu.au
    These pages contain both work and fun. (You get to figure out which is which.) ...See More
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  • Jack Sarfatti On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Dan Smith <danthroopsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jack, It sounds to me as though we have a fair basis for a renewed dialog. What I believe I can bring to this table is a bit more emphasis on the PoV of VALIS/God, which, TBMK, is not something that you and your physics 'fan-base' normally feel comfortable in emphasizing, with the possible exception of David. JS Technically our future event horizon is the past light cone of our world line extended to our Penrose conformal END TIME. It is a computer according to MIT's Seth Lloyd. The future dominates the past because the complexity - channel capacity of the hologram horizon computer is greatest in the future, i.e. intelligence is greater. We have free will because the GOD(D) computer while omni-present is not OMNIPOTENT! Hence EVIL in the world.
    DS For instance, you make a distinction between morality and physics. Yes, of course, superficially there is a difference. But you also speak of Leibniz' physical action principle..... Surely, you are aware that the notion of the best possible world was produced by that same mind, and it seems entirely possible that the concepts of maximal-action and best-possible may be linked, in some deeper structural/mathematical sense. We may simply be adding another dimension to our physical structure. Now, perhaps the greatest remaining distinction between Jackiantiy and Danianity is simply the technicality of the optimal placement of VALIS wrt the future horizon. But we may already be on the same page, here, as well..... This placement of the future horizon should strongly depend on the optimal length for human history, which, in turn, should depend on the optimal trajectory for material progress. Given that progress was never meant to be perpetual, then the (apparent) end of (material) progress may well signal the approach of our future horizon/VALIS. JS Read Tamara Davis's PhD online - get your basic cosmology correct first.
    http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/download/tamarad/
    www.physics.uq.edu.au
    These pages contain both work and fun. (You get to figure out which is which.) ...See More
    6 minutes ago · Edited · ·
  • Jack Sarfatti DS This issue relates particularly to the ETH v. the UTH, i.e. the extra- v. ultra-terrestrial hypotheses. JS I am not clear if there is any real distinction between E and U. Superior E technology looks like U Magick to the primitive human mind. Entanglement signaling as shown in my toy model equation obliterates the distinction between E and U in my opinion.
    DS Most folks that you and I know are open to the possibility we have been visited by unearthly beings of one sort or another. If progress is perpetual, then it stands to reason that the ETH is true wrt these visitors. I believe that this represents your view of the situation. Not quite.
    In Tamara Davis's Fig 1.1 her Ph.D.
    The apex of the Pyramid is infinite metric time - finite conformal Penrose END TIME for us idealized as Immortal Gods (central vertical world line) is the origin of the past light cone of our observer-dependent OMEGA POINT (not same as Tipler's) and it is our future cosmological de Sitter dark energy event horizon. It is a CONSCIOUS GOD(D) HOLOGRAM 2D SCREEN NULL GEODESIC COMPUTER projecting us RETRO-CAUSALLY as 3D dynamic hologram images in literally a VIRTUAL UNIVERSE SUPER-COMPUTER SIMULATION. The number of qubits is A/4Lp^2 according to Hawking's Mind of God. The dark energy density accelerating space's expansion is hc/ALp^2 where we are and from Type 1a supernovae in our past light cone. The dark energy density on the future event horizon is hc/Lp^4 it gets redshifted (advanced Cramer quantum waves) back from the future.
    DS OTOH, I believe that you are open to the possibility that the situation wrt the visitors may be more nuanced, i.e. they might, more accurately, be described as 'inter-dimensional' beings of some sort. JS Arthur Clarke got it right that advanced technology looks like magic to your simple mind Dan. ;-)
    DS So far, so good. Now, allow me to introduce another, possibly very important, piece of the cosmic puzzle..... and this is your contribution, Jack, as much as anybody's...... this is the VALIS holographic computer in our future, which may have been instrumental in the phone call you received, as an adolescent. JS By GOD(D) I think you got it.
    DS It may be that our visitors arrive via the same source. And, it may also be that VALIS is the creator of our holographic/virtual reality. If so, it is a small step to supposing that this world has an optimized design plan, and that this plan is intended particularly to optimize our participation in a participatory universe. This is the basic premise of the BPWH. JS Exactly, although it's only BPWH if GOD(D) IS NOT MALICIOUS!
    YOU ARE AN OPTIMIST DAN! ;-)
    On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Dan Smith <danthroopsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jack, What I wish to do is set some ground rules for our prospective dialog....... 1.) I'm not primarily coming out to have you instruct me on your world view. I believe that I already have a fair take on that view. 2.) Rather, I wish for you to consider the possible significance of the BPWH...... Ron has already opined that I am unlikely to get a fair hearing from you, and has recommended against such a trip. Well, I am admittedly a beggar, and beggars can't be too choosy, can we? Is there any chance that we could prove Ron wrong? I, for one, am always on the lookout for a chance to prove Ron wrong. In a subsequent email, or two, I would like to set forth the ground that I wish to cover with you, in a one or two hour discussion, to be video-taped by Kim, as we did a couple of years ago, but now with a bit more structure. I intend to post my part of this exchange on the Open Minds forum...... http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t6p150-hello-cy-hello-omf-ii#324
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