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  1. Not all three statements are consistent it is claimed.
  2. 1) Hawking radiation is in a pure state.
  3. 2) The information carried by the radiation is emitted from the region near the horizon, with low energy effective field theory valid beyond some microscopic distance from the horizon.
  4. 3) The infalling observer encounters nothing unusual at the horizon.
 
 
Well 1) cannot be true since if Hawking radiation is black body it is not in a pure state it is a mixed state with a reduced density matrix that is not an idempotent projection operator.
 
 
So what is all the fuss about? ;-)
 
Throw away 1) and keep 2) and 3)?
 
Furthermore, there is no reason to go hog wild that the universe obeys unitarity at all levels of organization. Why should probability be conserved in the first place? Life does not seem to conserve probabilities. When Feynman gave an early lecture on his Lagrangian formulation of quantum theory Dirac was there with Einstein and Dirac asked Feynman if his theory was “unitary.” Feynman said he had no idea of what Dirac even meant at that time. Valentini has an extended quantum theory that is definitely not unitary for example. Feynman also asked why observables have to be Hermitian operators. Hermitian operators generate unitary transformations.
 
 
Unitarity is in Hilbert qubit pilot wave space what orthogonality is in the spacetime continuum. There is nothing sacred and absolute in either. There is no compelling reason to say that inner products of quantum states are invariant under time evolution. It works in a limited range of experiments - scattering experiments - very primitive smashing of things together - brute force not very subtle.
 
 
The S-MATRIX is a crude tool that has been elevated into The Golden Calf by the Priests of Orthodox Physics.
 
 
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      From my Starship book under construction
      Only recently, Lenny Susskind and his students working on hologram universe ideas rediscovered this “ER = EPR”[i] connection in a more mathematically rigorous manner than my precognitive remote viewing intuitions over forty years ago. Back then no one else was linking EPR with ER to my knowledge. I conjecture, semiseriously given the claims of Puthoff and Targ at SRI[ii], that since Lenny and I worked together at Cornell in 1963-4 that I was glimpsing his work of 2012 back then in 1974.

      1973: H. G. Ellis’s “drainhole,” the first plausible stargate candidate where the gravity wormhole is coupled to a massless negative energy spin zero field. That year is also a year of high strangeness, but that story is not for this book.

      1974: Hawking shows that all black holes radiate black body radiation[i] whose peak wavelength lmax is roughly the square root of the area-entropy of the black hole’s horizon, i.e., lmax ~ A1/2 where the entropy S ~ kBA/4.

      During this time I conjectured in the pop physics book “Space-Time and Beyond” that Einstein-Rosen bridges and Einstein-Rosen-Podolsky[ii] quantum entanglement[iii] were two sides of the same coin in some yet not well understood sense. This was a precognitive intuition on my part.

      Remember I wrote the quote below in 1974 almost 40 years ago. See David Kaiser's "How the Hippies Saved Physics" about me and my associates back then. We were way ahead of the pack.

      From the 1975 book Space-Time and Beyond E.P. Dutton co-authored with Fred Alan Wolf and artist Bob Toben - First edition. p. 134 "Each part of space is connected to every other part through basic units of interconnection, called wormholes. Signals move through the constantly appearing and disappearing (virtual) wormhole connections, providing instant communication between all parts of space. These signals can be likened to pulses of nerve cells of a great cosmic brain that permeates all parts of space. This is a point of view motivated by Einstein's general theory of relativity in the form of geometrodynamics. A parallel point of view is given in the quantum theory as interpreted by Bohm. In my opinion this is no accident because I suspect that general relativity and quantum theory are simply two complementary aspects of a deeper theory that will involve a kind of cosmic consciousness as the key concept. Bohm writes of “quantum interconnectedness": 

      However there has been too little emphasis on what is, in our view, the most fundamentally different new feature of all, i.e., the intimate interconnection of different systems that are not in spatial contact ... the well known experiment of Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen ... Recently interest in this question has been stimulated by the work of Bell..." D. Bohm & B. Hiley...

      End of excerpt from 1975 Space-Time and Beyond.

      The Wheeler-Fuller pinch-off would then correspond to signal locality (later called “passion at a distance”) corresponding to unitary linear orthodox quantum theory. Stargate traversable wormholes would correspond to what Antony Valentini would years later call “signal nonlocality” in a more general post-quantum theory that was both non-unitary and nonlinear in the sense later clarified independently by Steven Weinberg[iv] and Henry Stapp. [v]

      [i] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-body_radiation



      [ii] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox



      [iii] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement



      [iv] http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw48.html

      Steven Weinberg, Physical Review Letters 62, 485 (1989);

      Joseph Polchinski, Physical Review Letters 66, 397 (1991).


      [v] http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/stapp.html

      Henry Stapp Physical Review A, Vol.50, No.1, July 1994



      [i] http://arxiv.org/pdf/1308.0289v1.pdf

      http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/07/papers-on-er-epr-correspondence.html Lubos Motl 

      http://quantumfrontiers.com/2013/06/07/entanglement-wormholes/



      [ii] http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/CIA-InitiatedRV.html
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On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:33 PM, "Kafatos, Menas" <kafatos@chapman.edu> wrote:

I agree with Brian. And as far as M-theory is concerned, it is offered as the complete theory of everything, in my view to avoid the problem of consciousness.

I have yet to watch all the Stanford Susskind videos on string and M-theory to see if there is any "there" there?

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To: Ruth Kastner

Subject: Re: Reality of Possibility


On 25 Jun 2013, at 15:45, Ruth Kastner <rekastner@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Brian, I will look at this, but first let me clarify something.

By 'complete' in the book, what I'm really getting at is that the theory doesn't need either

(1) the addition of beables a la Bohm

Bohm's idea which is very natural actually starts with Bohr, but goes beyond it.

In my own formulation for the masses:

The EM 2-form F = dA is the REAL IT beable. It has a BIT super-Q as described by Basil Hiley. All pointer reading of all experiment on all matter fields in the final analysis ends up with F. I think Geoffrey Chew first emphasized this at the Berkeley meetings described by David Kaiser in "How the Hippies Saved Physics."

The classical world corresponds to Q negligible - with the exception of spontaneous broken ground state symmetries giving emergent  over-complete distinguishably non-orthogonal Glauber coherent states of both real and virtual quanta. That's a lot of exceptions including crystals (both space and time), superfluids, lasers, ferromagnets, ferroelectrics, nematics, superconductors, and finally life and consciousness itself. See P.W. Anderson's "More is different."

(2) ad hoc modifications such as 'spontaneous collapse' theories


The point has to be made though that unless there is a theory of everything QM cannot be considered complete.  QM is no use unless it has a Hamiltonian to work with, and all we have at present is approximations that work only in a limited domain, or theories such as M-theory that are a kind of 'vapourware', having no existence in the form of written text.  This is independent of any considerations relating to life.


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 't Hooft toward the end does begin to notice Godzilla in the room. He is mistaken when he says there is no evidence for back-from-the-future retro-causal (e.g., Cramer handshake transactions, dark energy itself, Libet - Radin - Bierman - Bem brain EEG presponse, Aharonov destiny post-selection, Valentini signal nonlocality effects). However 't Hooft is correct to note a tension between the hologram idea and retarded causality. The future light cone of the observer where it intersects its future horizon is responsible for datk energy and most of the hologram voxel imaging.

It's curious that Lenny thinks it's a c-BIT per pixel. Why is it not a SPINOR q-BIT per pixel?

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The question Lenny should have asked in that lecture is whether we are 3D images whose information is scrambled all over our past and future 2D horizons relative to observers outside them in the multiverse?


Leonard Susskind on The World As Hologram http://t.co/iGIdSw91es


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Jack Sarfatti 1 minute ago

Lenny is a very clear and good teacher. We worked together at Cornell with Johnny Glogower in the early 1960's on the problem of time and coherent phase of oscillators in quantum theory. The lecture is excellent and clearly explains important cutting edge ideas. I do have a number of comments below.

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Jack Sarfatti 1 second ago

1) alleged first law of physics (technically unitarity of the S-Matrix) that the total number of bits is conserved. Is this really consistent with the second law of thermodynamics that the entropy of a closed system generally increases? Is it consistent with the evolution of complexity of matter including life and knowledge as the universe expands? The universe was very small at the moment of inflation followed by the hot big bang. Are all the bits we see today already hidden in the big bang?

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Jack Sarfatti 1 second ago

With the emergence of new order as in spontaneous symmetry breaking of the vacuum for virtual particles and the ground states of real many-particle complex systems - is the S-Matrix fundamentally non-unitary? At least the question needs to be asked and made conscious. Lenny's description of horizon thermodynamics & complementarity is excellent - how Alice's bits get scrambled all over the black hole horizon as seen by Bob far away from her. Bob's light will burn up her if he tries to look etc.

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Jack Sarfatti 1 second ago

We are outside black holes, but we are inside our cosmological horizons. Lenny only talks about our observer-dependent past particle horizon. That's half the story. Tamara Davis shows that we also have a future event horizon and that the Hubble sphere where expansion rate is c is different from both horizons. Wheeler-Feynman-Hoyle-Narlikar­-Cramer-Aharonov all show that the future absorptions of light are loops in time with the past emissions.

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Dark energy accelerating our universe may be advanced back-from-the-future Hawking radiation emissions from our future de Sitter horizon of energy density hc/Lp^4 that is gravitationally redshifted down to hc/Lp^2A where A is the area of our future horizon at its intersection with our future light cone. The competing cosmological blue shift is tiny at z = 1/2 compared to the advanced gravity redshift of z ~ A^1/4/Lp^1/2 ~ 10^30.5



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Tong's key point in December's 2012 Scientific American is that chiral fermions needed for the weak force cannot be computed in lattice gauge theory.
This seems an odd claim unless Wilzcek's QCD for strong gluon-quark force is not at all able to deal with the weak force?
So that would mean the quarks in QCD are not chiral?
Will some expert please pipe in on this?

A Computable Universe" is now available in Kindle edition:

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Also, coming next week, Nassim Nicholas Taleb's "Antifragile":
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See also

    http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2011-02/001290.html

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  • Jack Sarfatti This seems to contradict quantum chromodynamic lattice theory computation of hadron masses.
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  • Jack Sarfatti David Tong says that the movie Matrix does not describe reality. That we really are analog not digitally simulated by the Omega GOD(D) cosmic computer on our PIXELATED dark energy future event horizon as I have been speculating.

    Tong writes: "We can
    handle all types of hypothetical fermions but not the ones that actually exist. Fermions in the standard model ... that spin in a counterclockwise direction feel the weak nuclear force, and those that spin in a clockwise direction do not."

    So do the Wilczek strong force QCD lattice computations completely ignore weak force effects? QCD modeled fermions are not chiral?

    Tong ends his article: "We are not living inside a computer simulation."

    Tong also says that we cannot simulate chiral fermions on the computer- but does that not contradict Frank Wilczek's lattice QCD hadronic mass computations? What is going on here?

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