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If you could with small power (as in my DARPA-NASA paper) and at a distance manipulate the curvature field around an enemy ship for example you could crush it.

On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:19 PM, Ron S wrote:

. . ."there is no need to imagine they come here in the machines we see."

Well except that when we see something make what appears an impossible turn in the sky generating hundreds or thousands of gees, the only way we have to explain that is that those inside and the craft itself are experiencing no acceleration, meaning they're on a time-like geodesic in a warp ship.  The only way we know of nulling these sorts of gee forces is to not generate them at all, which is what warp does.

Exactly my point.

The skies are full of evidence of warp ships.  We just need to build them for ourselves.

Yes. By Jove, I think Ron S has finally understood what I have been saying although I don't think Paul Murad and some others have gotten it yet.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Adam C wrote:
Precisely. Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud contain a huge terrain for ETIs to use. Even if they have warp there is no need to imagine they come here in the machines we see.

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"Bushnell, DM. (LARC-A)"  wrote:

  Unless they are hiding out in this solar system somewhere they pretty much MUST have FTL capability.......Reverse Engineering anyone?

On 9/30/12 4:26 PM, "Adam  wrote:

Not yet convinced the machine Ufos have warp. Insufficient data.

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Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote:
The WMD effect would be the ability to manipulate the fabric of space evolving in time with small applied power even if warp bubble is standing still above say a nuke missile site. Imagine the controlling intelligence inside the saucer decides to expand the boundary of the bubble.

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On Sep 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Adam C wrote:

Hi Angelo
Anything moving fast enough is more powerful than nukes from kinetic energy alone. Modern warheads have energy densities equivalent to a speed of 3000 km/s - thus everything faster is more potent than nukes.

However speed is distance so the acceleration track is very long for realistic accelerations.

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Angelo wrote:
I find this point really crucial. Can a warp drive be turned into a weapon of mass destruction? If yes, how destructive can it be? More than a nuclear bomb?


   Da: Mike.L  
 Inviato: Domenica 30 Settembre 2012 19:06
 Oggetto: Re: 29 September 2012
The problem with this, from the point of view of any government, is that putting a space drive in the hands of an average person means putting WMD into the hands of the lowest common denominator. Anybody with a gripe against any government, corporation, or person will be able to turn an affordable space drive propelled object into a hypervelocity ballistic weapon to attack that which they hate/fear/despise. This is of course intolerable to any government that wishes to act in a way that will upset anybody, i.e. all of them. If someones space drive technology proves truly a breakthru and is so revolutionary that it will make space travel affordable to the average person, you can pretty much guarantee that it, and anybody that knows the details of how it works will be erased/classified/killed or discredited by the powers that be with as much energy as they can muster.

So OF COURSE a government backed 100 year starship group is going to say that "Travel to the stars will be difficult and expensive. It will take decades of time, GW of power, kg of mass-energy and trillions of dollars…interstellar travel will always be difficult and expensive, but it can no longer be considered impossible." and they will continue saying this even as the government seizes working space drives and sends out their own missions. So long as Earth is the only known habitable world, the planet will remain a pressure cooker that those in power will cling to power over. Jack Sarfatti's masters in the intelligence community, in particular (Hi guys!).

They need options to give to people. Places for disaffected humanity to go in a diaspora. When we advance our astronomical science enough to spot habitable earthlike worlds around nearby star systems, then I am convinced that, if space drives are achievable, they will only be made available to the public once there are places for the public to go to get away from earth's authoritarians without feeling the need to return to wreak relativistic vengance upon the planet that birthed them and the tyrants that sent them into exile....

Mike L


A website means nothing. It's the funding that counts. I never heard of this group.
Mae Jemison has a lot of fund-raising clout in the Democratic Party. Mae can call up Bill Clinton, Obama's top people etc.
If Obama gets re-elected she has a very good chance of raising big private $.
How effective that will be in terms of technological development is another story of course because her tech people are afraid of the UFO flying saucer issue even though some of them worked on it in the past with Joe Firmage and Robert Bigelow.
In any case, all bets are off until the POTUS election is over.
It's clear that the Star Ship effort will split into parallel competing efforts. This is a good thing.

On Sep 30, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Angelo wrote:


regarding Mae Jemison's institute "the Way", it seems that there is already a brand new interstellar research institute:



Inviato: Domenica 30 Settembre 2012 8:52
Oggetto: Re: 29 September 2012


In a related vein, Mike L. put me on to an article about the recent 100YSS meeting where in an interview with Mae Jemison, she allowed that maybe the 100YSS operation was not the ideal way to actually get work done on the starship project. . . .  She's tinkering with the idea of another operation (she calls "the way") as the thing that actually tries to get something done.  My sense is that that isn't what the creators of the 100YSS project had in mind. . . .  But we'll see.  :-)

Have a good what's left of the weekend,

Jim Woodward

Jack Sarfatti hc/Lp^4 on our future horizon is down shifted to hc/Lp^2A at our present detectors and the Arrow of Time is also explained trivially. A is the area of the intersection of our future light cone with our future de Sitter horizon. The Arrow of Time is simply A(future horizon) - A(past horizon) > 0.
Jack Sarfatti likes a link.
The "time tunnel into the distant past" gives us a glimpse of galaxies as they looked up to 13.2 billion years ago
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  • Steven Sequeira Wow... Thank you, Jack!
  • Jack Sarfatti Dark energy in contrast is a time tunnel to our future cosmological event horizon - advanced Wheeler-Feynman-Hawking black body radiation real photons red shifted all the way down to virtual photons inside the vacuum. Virtual photons generate the anti-gravity field that is accelerating the expansion speed of 3D space seen in Type 1a supernovae anomalous redshifts in our past light cone.

I first met Martin Rees in Cambridge in I think it was 1967. I very much respect his scientific work, but I think he has severely distorted the facts about UFOs whether by intent for national security reasons or simply lack of due diligence in what is a political not a scientific issue. Indeed, Martin Gardner in Science, Good, Bad & Bogus mentioned that physicists like myself do not make good paranormal investigators. Similarly, astronomers do not not make good UFO investigators. My contacts with the Intelligence Community & Military lead me to believe that some UFOs are real machines with advanced low-power warp-drive technology. I presented an invited paper on this to the DARPA-NASA 100 year starship meeting in Orlando Oct 1, 2011 - expenses paid by DARPA. Furthermore, in my opinion, the advanced time-traveling intelligence operating these machines have manipulated us for thousands of years. Indeed, we are genetically engineered by them. For additional background information see MIT physics professor David Kaiser's book "How the Hippies Saved Physics" and my Wikipedia page as well as Martin Gardner's book.

Sep 13

Report from London - Psi Wars

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From: "garybekkum@yahoo.com" <garybekkum@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Are Bekkum's allegations about 9/11 true?
Date: September 27, 2012 10:18:51 AM GMT+01:00

What Drake can't speak to are the persons responsible at Rumsfeld's Office of the Secretary of Defense. Robinson shared several emails with me ... it was Chris Mellon ...


And from Mellon to Dr. Ed May, who ran STAR GATE when Mellon was on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. But there is also mention of a "downright dangerous" group in D.C. (no names given).

Some high up who believed the previous psychic results were a threat to U.S. national security.

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-----Original message-----
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@pacbell.net>
To: d14947 <d14947@gmail.com>

Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 07:31:46 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Are Bekkum's allegations about 9/11 true?


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On Sep 27, 2012, at 3:58 AM, d14947 <d14947@gmail.com> wrote:

This is nothing new. Both Jack and I know someone (dw) who had the same dream every night for 2 weeks. A jet flying into the WTC. I asked him about this every day until the morning of the 11th when he woke me with the news.

So clearly there is not so much a private pipeline of information as a radio station, if you can get the frequency. many precognitions before Titannic, WWI etc.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Gary S. Bekkum <garybekkum@yahoo.com> wrote:

I'd like to point out here that former NSA official Thomas Andrews Drake has now confirmed my report to George Knapp on Coast to Coast AM.

Listen starting at about 1:36:00

Justice Dept. indictment of Drake on espionage charges ... http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2010/04/drake-indict.pdf

Knapp asked Drake, “Among the warnings about 9/11 were some unconventional sources — psychics — there’s one in Britain in particular, I think you’re familiar with him, and warnings that something was about to happen, do you give that kind of stuff any credence?”
Drake firmly responded:
“Yes. What some people call anomalous phenomena. I got to know Chris Robinson, who’s a precognitive psychic, his unique ability — it’s still not well understood — it’s kind of in a non-linear space — he certainly, and he was having these dreams, and one of the dreams he had was the towers being hit, as well as a number of other things; you know, he dreamed of these dogs — which were symbol of terrorist activity. I’m well aware, and I’ll say it here, I’ve said it to others, but I’ll say it in a little bit more detail — that information — he’d actually gone to the U.S. Embassy — and he had also gone to authorities in the U.K. That information was openly shared with U.S. authorities PRIOR to 9/11 — and it was ignored.”
Knapp then asked Drake, “Were you ever party to conversations within NSA about psychic phenomena — psychic abilities as being a tool, an intelligence tool that could be valuable or are you able to talk about that?”
“Well — you’re in a very linear environment — you’re in an environment that is bound by computers and programming — and a highly bureaucratic organization at that. Introducing any kind of evidence that’s outside what some would call the bounds of scientific inquiry or the scientific method — especially when it’s non-linear — is like pooh poohed at — but I want you to know there was a number of people I met — not just NSA — other programs we haven’t even mentioned yet, that were, that knew that something wasn’t right — they knew that there were things going on, and they were using other innovative means that were piecing together information.
There’s actually some stuff that had never been revealed — I won’t go into all the details here — some things that even al Qaeda was doing to flag its activities on a worldwide level to send messages.
And I was involved in teams and bringing this to the attention of certain people as an other means of bringing intelligence to the fore and you can act on it. It was all rejected.
I met Chris Robinson — he didn’t even know who I was — I had to be very careful in terms of who I associated with — but I had met Chris Robinson when he was on a trip — one of the trips that he made to the United States — and I heard, I heard the story — I mean, I accept precognitive psychic abilities — given my — there’s other history that I am aware of — is something that does exist, and its not something — a lot of people pooh pooh it, a lot of people dismiss it — but it’s certainly legit.
But you can imagine, in this kind of, this highly bureaucratic structure — a structure that is still based on a cold-war mentality — a very rigid structure — very hierarchical — this type of thinking is so — I mean there’s not even an “out-of-the-box” for it — it’s like, completely dismissed.

From: JACK SARFATTI <sarfatti@pacbell.net>
To: garybekkum@yahoo.com  
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 4:38 PM

Subject: Re: Are Bekkum's allegations about 9/11 true?

these are rumors - just gossip - noise - no value without proof
On Aug 8, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Gary S Bekkum / STARpod.org wrote:

I had an NSA source confirm parts of Chris Robinson's story.
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From: David Gladstone <d14947@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 07:20:29 -0700
To: JACK SARFATTI<sarfatti@pacbell.net>; Gary S Bekkum<garybekkum@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Are Bekkum's allegations about 9/11 true?

Sounds like total BS. There are no dream detectives like this!

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On Aug 8, 2010, at 1:03 AM, JACK SARFATTI <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote:

I don't recall the email in 2000 you mention. Who were the Firmage scientists you write about? Let's see the exact email with the long headers. What is your point about this alleged Pandolfi email? Your sentence about Pandolfi does not have any logical connection to the rest of your article. Armen Victorian was a KGB operative left over from the Cold War. Of course, however, the reality of the paranormal can only be understood in terms of signal nonlocality violating quantum theory. This vital implication was censored out of the August 28 meeting on Bohm's quantum theory in Tuscany.

Secrets Revealed: UFO Files Connect to 9/11 Warnings

6 Aug 2010

Secrets Revealed: UFO Files Connect to 9/11 Warnings

Gary S. Bekkum
Among the UK Ministry of Defence UFO files are reports of a warning of terror that came true. Sources claim similar warnings were given to the American CIA in London, just prior to the attacks of 9/11.

(STARpod.org) -- The latest release of UFO files from Britain's Ministry of Defence include a report that "a man was questioned by RAF police after he turned up at RAF Stanmore, Middlesex, in May 1990, to report a strange dream that involved a bomb explosion at a military installation in London."

According to the MoD UFO document's release notes, written by Dr. David Clarke, "RAF police confirmed that a few weeks later a terrorist bomb attack occurred at Stanmore. Inquiries were made about this incident in 1995-96 by the UFO desk officer at MoD following an inquiry from a journalist who was writing an article for the magazine Fortean Times."

Later, the man, reportedly to have been "dream detective" Chris Robinson, allegedly warned the American CIA in London of dreams of aircraft about to be used to take down tall buildings.

Mr. Robinson is perhaps most famous for his claims of predicting the attacks against the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, while he was being tested for his precognitive abilities at the University of Arizona, by Dr. Gary E.R. Schwartz.

According to various accounts, Mr. Robinson may have alerted the US CIA in London prior to the 9/11 attacks.

The US government has a long history of using psychic data to enhance threat assessments and to collect intelligence. The use of so-called psychic spies was officially revealed by the CIA in 1995, following decades of secret research and operations.

In 1983, few Americans knew, or would have believed that the US government was training psychics to spy on the enemy. Some of America's psychic spies were receiving special mental training at the Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences. For his part of the training program, Mr. Robert Monroe was granted SECRET security clearance and $24,400.

In return for the $24,400, the government may have received the first known warning of the terrorist attack of September 11th, 2001, when the psychic team warned of an attack against Washington using an airplane as a weapon of mass destruction.

A few years later another U.S. government psychic, DIA SOURCE 21, warned of simultaneous attacks in New York City and Washington, D.C.

A 1986 SECRET Defense Intelligence Agency document quotes SOURCE 21's raw and un-interpreted vision of terror:

Newspaper headlines have something to do with the collapse of a building -- a lot of people hurt or injured. I also sense a feeling of panic, people scrambling and perhaps something to do with an aircraft. In summary, standing on top of a building, which is crowded inside with people, tourists, there is a perception of a large object falling -- heading -- toward the building ... I sense the object may cause structural damage as it crashes through the building. All of this takes place sometime in the future.

In August of 2001, UK psychic dream detective Chris Robinson was visiting with Professor Gary E. R. Schwartz at the University of Arizona. Schwartz had arranged a series of tests to see if Chris Robinson was able to describe locations where he would be taken at a future date.

Robinson's dreams were interrupted by disturbing images: airplanes crashing into buildings.

According to Robinson the authorities, apparently including the American CIA, were notified when the dreams kept recurring.

In September 2000, a source to STARstream Research received an email from Dr. Ron Pandolfi, a CIA analyst who had recently testified in front of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence about unauthorized technology transfers to China. Among the recipients of the email were US Web CEO turned UFO enthusiast Joe Firmage, and several scientists involved in Firmage's UFO research activities, as well as other individuals known for their psychic abilities, including mentalist showman Uri Geller.
In a taped phone conversation with a foreign national who identified himself as "Dr. Victorian," Pandolfi claims to have been a member of the US government Defense Intelligence Agency sponsored UFO Working Group.

A few years later, author Jon Ronson, the author of the book The Men Who Stare at Goats, identified "Ron" as the man behind a new US psychic spy effort, based upon the testimony of Uri Geller, less than a month after 9/11.

Open source documents appear to connect Dr. Pandolfi to the CIA's National Intelligence Council, the group tasked to produce National Intelligence Estimates for senior government officials, including the US President.

Other "X-files" provided by the UK MoD reveal official interest in fringe subjects like gravitation, zero point energy extracted from empty space, and other novel energy technologies which had been the focus of Joe Firmage's UFO venture.

The MoD files also make note of "novel phenomena" like psychic "remote viewing," "bio-effects psychotronics," requests for copies of US psychic research by the Stanford Research Institute, and Russian research into exotic morphogenetic fields thought to control DNA in living organisms.

According to documents produced for Firmage's International Space Sciences Organization from 1999 to 2000, torsion fields had been a core topic of study in collaborative efforts with the Russians.

A CIA publication confirms National Security Agency involvement with the paranormal. The article, from CIA's internal journal Studies in Intelligence, identified NSA and DIA as the home of psychic spy research.

In 2007, while researching a new book, investigative author Gus Russo -- the credited reporter for PBS Frontline's "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?" -- met with an established source who provided information about the alleged clandestine NSA psychic spy project. Although declassified government documents had identified NSA interest in paranormal phenomena in the 1970s and 1980s, it had been assumed that the shutdown of the STAR GATE psychic program by the CIA in 1995 had ended government involvement with the paranormal.

Russo's source claimed to know a psychic spy "remote viewer" who was involved with NSA's paranormal projects.

According to Russo, "NSA considers remote viewing a valid SIGINT [singals intelligence] tool. The program was relocated from CIA and is one of the most highly classified at NSA."

A second, independent source confirmed the NSA program. According to this second source, NSA stepped up their psychic spy activities following the terror attacks of September 11, 2001.

In 2007, Russo advised to us that his source told him the NSA program was "definitely ongoing at NSA," later adding, "The source says the program encountered problems when when foreign targets were being blocked by an extraterrestrial source that has never been identified."

When asked about the extraterrestrial comment, Russo replied, "Interference from space, either from intelligent sources or some sort of natural phenomenon. My impression was they didn't know which."

When asked about the veracity of his source for the NSA story, Russo noted they had been in contact for several years, adding that the source's "accuracy re: facts has never been in question (10 out of 10)."

For more about American Intelligence and paranormal activity, see Spies, Lies, and Polygraph Tape -- Knowing the Future: The UFO Spy Games. To read about the book, click here.

For additional information, please visit STARpod.org

Sep 13

Was Einstein right? So far, so good.

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Prof. Dimitrios Psaltis, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ
Topic: Probes and Tests of Strong-Field General Relativity
In contrast to gravity in the weak-field regime, which has been subjected to numerous experimental tests, gravity in the strong-field regime is largely unconstrained by experiments. Indeed, a large class of gravity theories can be constructed that obey the Einstein equivalence principle and cannot be rejected by solar system tests, but that diverge from general relativity in the strong-field regime. I show that such theories predict black holes and neutron stars with significantly different properties than their general relativistic counterparts. I then discuss how recent observations with current telescopes have provided interesting new constraints on scalar-tensor and braneworld gravity models that are comparable to solar-system and table-top experiments.
Venue: Albert Einstein Institute, Potsdam Golm, Lecture Hall  map
Date: May 29, 2008 - 14:00
Living Reviews: lrr-2008-9


Only signal nonlocality violating orthodox QM will resolve this.
The data from Libet -> Radin -> Bierman -> Bem
& Puthoff & Targ (SRI)
are evidence for signal nonlocality entanglement signaling (e.g. Antony Valentini's papers) as the essential signature of consciousness in my opinion. Nano-tech devices emulating microtubules et-al will result in a conscious AI robot in my opinion.

Henry Stapp argued that

1) statistical predictions of orthodox QM( i.e. Born probability interpretation aka sub-quantal HV thermal equilibrium as in A. Valentini's papers)

2) counter-factual definiteness

3) locality

are mutually incompatible.

If Henry is correct, then you can have 3) and 1) by violating 2).

Indeed that is Many-Worlds in sense of Everett. It is what Joy Christian, David Deutsch and Murray Gell-Mann seem to believe.

In contrast the ABL paper assumes 1) & 2) and violates 3) which is the dominant view and is also my own.

Only strong entanglement signaling violating current no-go theorems will settle this once and for all.

I claim that the brain data cited above is evidence for the latter.

Sep 08

What's hot in physics news on Sept 7, 2012?

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    • Physics - Don’t Bring the Noise http://t.co/wKq28Qd2
      Noiseless amplification of multiple spatial channels in rubidium vapor can aid optical communications and quantum information processing.
    • Physics - Power Falls in Sync http://t.co/IK35rSfP
      According to network theory, decentralizing a power grid to accommodate more energy sources may improve the synchronization of its components.
  1. shar.es
    Terahertz radiation can control electron transport through quantum dots.
  2. shar.es
    Controlling the surface termination of a material with a large spin-orbit effect could provide a way to select a particular spin state for spintronic devices.
  3. shar.es
    A thin metal slab known as a superlens, which focuses light more sharply than its wavelength, could have an even higher resolution imaging rapidly varying electromagnetic fields.
  4. shar.es
    Theorists consider the experimental signature of a quantum spin ice.
  5. shar.es
    A proposed interferometry experiment could detect quantum states, called anyons, which are neither bosons nor fermions.

Antigray sent me this:

Neuroscience Researcher and Laurentian University professor, Dr. Michael Persinger, demonstrates telepathy under laboratory conditions.

Claims of telepathy, ESP and other psi phenomena are a mainstay of popular culture but taboo in neuroscience research circles. Fortunately, Dr. Michael Persinger of Canada's Laurentian University has never been afraid to venture where other researchers fear to go. In the 1980&#8242;s Persinger made headlines with his "God Helmet", a device that stimulates temporal lobes with a weak magnetic field in order to produce religious states.

Now, Persinger has discovered the same type of brain stimulation can create metal states conducive to human telepathy. "What we have found is that if you place two different people at a distance and put a circular magnetic field around both, and you make sure they are connected to the same computer so they get the same stimulation, then if you flash a light in one person's eye the person in the other room receiving just the magnetic field will show changes in their brain as if they saw the flash of light. We think that's tremendous because it may be the first macro demonstration of a quantum connection, or so-called quantum entanglement. If true, then there's another way of potential communication that may have physical applications, for example, in space travel."


Listen to the interview at:

Download the interview at:

Here is another article about Persinger's discovery and lecture video:


Michael Persinger: 'No More Secrets' with Telepathy

DNA Found to Have "Impossible" Telepathic Properties

Dna47_3_2 DNA has been found to have a bizarre ability to put itself together, even at a distance, when according to known science it shouldn't be able to. Explanation: None, at least not yet.

Scientists are reporting evidence that contrary to our current beliefs about what is possible, intact double-stranded DNA has the "amazing" ability to recognize similarities in other DNA strands from a distance. Somehow they are able to identify one another, and the tiny bits of genetic material tend to congregate with similar DNA. The recognition of similar sequences in DNA's chemical subunits, occurs in a way unrecognized by science. There is no known reason why the DNA is able to combine the way it does, and from a current theoretical standpoint this feat should be chemically impossible.

Even so, the research published in ACS' Journal of Physical Chemistry B, shows very clearly that homology recognition between sequences of several hundred nucleotides occurs without physical contact or presence of proteins. Double helixes of DNA can recognize matching molecules from a distance and then gather together, all seemingly without help from any other molecules or chemical signals.


Gary that is not quite correct. What you say is only for Level 1 on a SINGLE INFLATION BUBBLE!
you missed Level 2

Both Levels 1 & 2 are Bohmian "not" hidden variables of Wheeler's IT
Max's Level 3 is the de Broglie pilot wave (super quantum potential for EM fields etc.)

However, the number of material IT worlds at Levels 1 & 2 may be finite as you say.


On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Gary S Bekkum <garysbekkum@gmail.com> wrote:

It is a misconception there are an infinite number of what we call worlds. There is a very large but finite set of emergent classical worlds limited by the expansion of space and the finite speed of light.

Gary S. Bekkum
STARstream Research
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